Daystate Safari vs Red Wolf HP

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lopey15

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Does anyone own both of these guns and if so can you tell me if both are comparable in the accuracy department? I understand the Safari is generating a lot more power but I would like to know with the increase in power is it sacrificing accuracy? I am torn between these 2 rifles and would just like some feedback to help steer me into buying one of these guns. I am looking into the .25 caliber but it seems that I keep seeing more and more that the .22 is getting great results.
 
The only current difference is the stock. When the Safari came out, it was first with the gen 2 board (more power). The RW HP's at that time were gen 1. ALL are gen 2 now as far as I know.

The 25 has the ART barrel and generates a bit more power where the 22 is ART Approved and pellets are slightly cheaper plus seemingly easier to shoot accurately at distance. My Safari came as a 25 but I keep a 22 barrel on it because I can shoot it better. I think both may come from the factory too hot now on high for pellets, so high would be for slugs. No sacrifice in accuracy if you choose the pellet weight appropriately. 

For me, if you don't need the power for bigger animals , the 22 is hard to beat. Check out @Mikelo123 's experience with his new one..... pretty amazing ....

Bob
 
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So if I am reading correctly the Safari comes with a different barrel:

"The new Daystate A.R.T. barrel on each of the Safari rifles has been developed and tested to provide the best long range accuracy from an air rifle. This new barrel technology is the result of hundreds of hours in testing many different design specifications such as choke, spin rate, profile, lead in, ballistic coefficients etc. "



Also says that it can be tuned with the A.R.T. tune that costs $400 more...if they are the same rifle can the RW be tuned to the same specs? Base price on the Safari is $400 more than the RW. Another thing that I have a question on is why is the .22 caliber $200 more than the .25 in the RW?


 
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Hi , I checked into both and NO they are not the same , the deltaforce and the safari can be programmed from gun the , Red wold needs the scanner or programmer , I hunt alot so I didnt want a pretty stock so I was waiting on delta force to hit , but I spoke to people with all of them , I know many have great accuracy with the redwolf , I have heard of some having accuracy issues , not with electronics but with the barrels having some flaws ,

The Art system was a bit confusing like gun is $2995 and art tune is +$400 , it is same barrel on some articles it says some shooters spent time tuning the platform and barrel systems , , so when I inquired is it a tune or barrel , it is vague , but I understand it is $400 to tune it ,

Lopey15 all manufactures of hi end guns spend hundreds of hours on barrel specs , so this is nothing new here .



SO being 99.99% of us tune for where we shoot or for the slugs we make or pellets we make or buy , then it is not needed Id put the $400 twards better glass or a good bipod ,

I was looking at the 22 and the 30 caliber , I decided it was not an upgrade for what I own in 22 caliber and I ended up ordering a EVOL in .30 instead .

LOU
 
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I purchased the RW Safari .25 caliber several months ago and have probably shot it about 10 different times averaging about 3 hours per range outing at 100 yards. While the accuracy is good, it has not been great so I sent it back to AoA under warranty to take a closer look at the barrel and the action, etc. I just want to make sure the barrel and gun are at optimum performance.

In the meantime, I'm giving serious thought to swapping the .25 ART barrel and probe for a .22 ART barrel and probe because I am also seeing some incredible accuracy from various folks with the .22 ART barrel shooting the JSB 25g RDs and certain slugs; Knock outs come to mind but there are others too that shoot well. 

All that said, I honestly don't know if the .25 is any more or less accurate than the .22 RW, but I am beginning to think about the .22 RW HP ART barrel more and more for my 100 yard BR shooting. 

If you want/need more information, PM me. 

Tom


 
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The only current difference is the stock. When the Safari came out, it was first with the gen 2 board (more power). The RW HP's at that time were gen 1. ALL are gen 2 now as far as I know.

The 25 has the ART barrel and generates a bit more power where the 22 is ART Approved and pellets are slightly cheaper plus seemingly easier to shoot accurately at distance. My Safari came as a 25 but I keep a 22 barrel on it because I can shoot it better. I think both may come from the factory too hot now on high for pellets, so high would be for slugs. No sacrifice in accuracy if you choose the pellet weight appropriately. 

For me, if you don't need the power for bigger animals , the 22 is hard to beat. Check out @Mikelo123 's experience with his new one..... pretty amazing ....

Bob
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I wasn't aware that you could actually change barrels on the RW. I know I can't on mine anyway. Is this a new feature on GEN2 RWs?? How did you get the second barrel? And most important of all, how do I order an extra barrel??

Also, how do you handle the change needed in the programming when you switch barrels. Do you own the Daystate programmer??



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The only current difference is the stock. When the Safari came out, it was first with the gen 2 board (more power). The RW HP's at that time were gen 1. ALL are gen 2 now as far as I know.

The 25 has the ART barrel and generates a bit more power where the 22 is ART Approved and pellets are slightly cheaper plus seemingly easier to shoot accurately at distance. My Safari came as a 25 but I keep a 22 barrel on it because I can shoot it better. I think both may come from the factory too hot now on high for pellets, so high would be for slugs. No sacrifice in accuracy if you choose the pellet weight appropriately. 

For me, if you don't need the power for bigger animals , the 22 is hard to beat. Check out @Mikelo123 's experience with his new one..... pretty amazing ....

Bob
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I wasn't aware that you could actually change barrels on the RW. I know I can't on mine anyway. Is this a new feature on GEN2 RWs?? How did you get the second barrel? And most important of all, how do I order an extra barrel??

Also, how do you handle the change needed in the programming when you switch barrels. Do you own the Daystate programmer??

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H
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I rec’d a price quote from AOA to swap out my Gen2 ART .25 barrel with an approved ART .22 barrel. From memory, I believe it was around $625-$650 for the labor to do programming change, and cost for new barrel and pellet probe. I don’t have the programmer.

Bob can address your questions also, but this is the quoted price that I received from AoA if you want to do the barrel swap.
 
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The only current difference is the stock. When the Safari came out, it was first with the gen 2 board (more power). The RW HP's at that time were gen 1. ALL are gen 2 now as far as I know.

The 25 has the ART barrel and generates a bit more power where the 22 is ART Approved and pellets are slightly cheaper plus seemingly easier to shoot accurately at distance. My Safari came as a 25 but I keep a 22 barrel on it because I can shoot it better. I think both may come from the factory too hot now on high for pellets, so high would be for slugs. No sacrifice in accuracy if you choose the pellet weight appropriately. 

For me, if you don't need the power for bigger animals , the 22 is hard to beat. Check out @Mikelo123 's experience with his new one..... pretty amazing ....

Bob
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I wasn't aware that you could actually change barrels on the RW. I know I can't on mine anyway. Is this a new feature on GEN2 RWs?? How did you get the second barrel? And most important of all, how do I order an extra barrel??

Also, how do you handle the change needed in the programming when you switch barrels. Do you own the Daystate programmer??

"

H
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I rec’d a price quote from AOA to swap out my Gen2 ART .25 barrel with an approved ART .22 barrel. From memory, I believe it was around $625-$650 for the labor to do programming change, and cost for new barrel and pellet probe. I don’t have the programmer.

Bob can address your questions also, but this is the quoted price that I received from AoA if you want to do the barrel swap.
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OK, thanks. I thought it might be possible to just replace the barrel yourself. My original RW HP was a lemon and they sent me a new barrel but then the programming problem came up and I eventually bought a Heliboard for mine which solved the programming problem in a big way. I may investigate to see if they would sell me the ART approved 22. barrel.




 
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OK, thanks. I thought it might be possible to just replace the barrel yourself. My original RW HP was a lemon and they sent me a new barrel but then the programming problem came up and I eventually bought a Heliboard for mine which solved the programming problem in a big way. I may investigate to see if they would sell me the ART approved 22. barrel.

Does using your Heliboard void the 3 year warranty? I know they are easier to use vs. the programmer, but was curious about DS voiding warranty.
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I think you may be getting confused with the initial launch of the gun, the BROWN SAFARI stock was ONLY availible at the 65FPE power output initially, hence the differentiation between it and the HP version and the premium, internally all current guns are the same.

Now you can order any variation of power output and stock combination, i.e. 65FPE in blue laminate, the quoted figures at 65FPE are with the 34g pellet, not the 25g and as ARZROVER says the best speed in the .22 caliber with the 25g RD is slightly below 1000FPS so you have the choice of tuning down a SAFARI model on the HP curve, or tuning UP the HP version on the HP curve (if that makes sense), both require the use of a programmer and someone like Bob who knows what they are doing!

Alternatively you can just get a .30 SAFARI and spare barrels, the .25, .22 & .177 (with slugs) all shoot very well without any reprogramming, the .22 .25g RD comes in at just over 1000FPS on the HP curve and the 25g. 25 at 1000 with the mid power curve, swapping barrels and probe takes less than two minutes!
 
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I think you may be getting confused with the initial launch of the gun, the BROWN SAFARI stock was ONLY availible at the 65FPE power output initially, hence the differentiation between it and the HP version and the premium, internally all current guns are the same.

Now you can order any variation of power output and stock combination, i.e. 65FPE in blue laminate, the quoted figures at 65FPE are with the 34g pellet, not the 25g and as ARZROVER says the best speed in the .22 caliber with the 25g RD is slightly below 1000FPS so you have the choice of tuning down a SAFARI model on the HP curve, or tuning UP the HP version on the HP curve (if that makes sense), both require the use of a programmer and someone like Bob who knows what they are doing!

Alternatively you can just get a .30 SAFARI and spare barrels, the .25, .22 & .177 (with slugs) all shoot very well without any reprogramming, the .22 .25g RD comes in at just over 1000FPS on the HP curve and the 25g. 25 at 1000 with the mid power curve, swapping barrels and probe takes less than two minutes



Do you know if it is possible to buy a 22 ART barrel?
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