Daystate Safari or FX Crown

Hello is there somebody who could help me out with this question

I like the new design of the Safari and have no problems with the electronics

I also will not change any barrels or so I will take a .25 and stay with it

But is the Safari just as good as the Crown or is it better....maybe some already have one and could you tell me how he does at 100 yards

I will shoot most of the times at 50 yards but also will shoot 100 yards sometimes

I also know that the Safari is more expensive but is he also worth it

I really hope someone can help me

Thanks already
 
I have never has a safari but I do have a crown 

Mine is 30 Cal not 25 but at 50 yards it shoots one big hole and I'm am not the best shot out there by far . Here is a 5 shot group at 50 yards . I am only shooting @760 fps but I can get over 50 shots with the 480cc tank pushing a 44.75g jsb in a 600mm
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Power wise I think they are pretty close.

AOA’s testing showed the .25 Safari shooting 34gr MKII at 927fps for 64.7 ft/lbs on High power. Not sure if they can be cranked up a bit or not I don’t own one.

I do have a .25 Crown continuum. It did just over 900fps for 63 ft/lbs stock and polishing TP and probe bumped the 34gr’s to 940-945 for 69 ft/lbs. Tested with 700mm barrel.

I have no interest in digging inside for more power this should be plenty to shoot 24-34gr slugs.

The Crown is more than capable of shooting sub Moa groups.


 
My FX Crown was tuned for 76FPE in 22 cal. I just installed a 700mm barrel this past week and chronographed a string with the 50.15gr JSBs that showed 108FPE. I have some projects underway that should get me at least another 20FPE with heavier slugs, I haven't seen many numbers from the Safari on the high side for this caliber, but the Crown is a capable platform for high power if you're not opposed to turning a wrench.
 
I owned a Crown for a couple months. I have my opinions on the platform which I’ve aired in other threads. I prefer the Safari which is what I have now. A couple things that should be taken into account with your decision... do you want to tinker and tune your rifle? So you want the ability to change calibers? What will you be using the rifle for? Are you adverse to having electronics on your air rifle?

Some of my unbiased observations after owning both....

  • Set at equivalent power levels, the Safari is noticeable more quiet... 
  • The Crown offers easy end user adjustability and caliber change capability.
  • My Crown suffered from POI change issues
  • Accuracy was similar at 50 yards with both rifles. The Safari was consistently better at 100. 
  • My .25 Safari shoots 33.95 JSB MKII’s at 941 (67 ft/ lbs) on high power.
  • My Crown has accuracy problems past 870 fps with the heavy JSB’s.
  • Both rifles are very nicely made and have nice stocks and fit / finish. 
  • The Crown trigger is excellent. The Safari trigger is amazing... think “mouse click”
  • The Safari is significantly more money









 
I have owned the Fx crown in .22, I now own a Daystate RW in .22 “I realize you said Safari” but If I had the extra cash I would definitely opt for Safari! “Out of the box” much better in these categories- fit, finish & build quality, warranty, TRIGGER, more power, no impact change from day to day or each shooting session! Much better looks IMO anyway! I’m like SoCal, bought it and 3mo. Later ditched it and never looked back...
 
I have owned a Crown and Red Wolf, still have the RW. Both are standard power .22. Folks who like to tinker will enjoy the Crown, which kind of demonstrates the marketing concept behind it. The accuracy, on average, I found to be comparable between the two. The Crown was prone to POI changes, and the barrel liner fouled more quickly than the RW solid barrel. But these were standard power, so the poly barrels and liners in the HP series of both would, I expect, be a different comparison. I would not have been comfortable with the Crown for field use, simply because I could never rely on the first shot POI. If in a situation where a quick sight-in is feasible, then maybe not a problem. The anti-double load feature of the RW would be handy in the field, but the auto sleep mode could be a hassle, just have to remember it. And a word on the triggers. The Crown trigger is perfectly acceptable for field and most target use. If you do bench rest and want a light-pull trigger, you can easily have that in the Red Wolf. But, it is electronic, so you have to remember that it is a switch, not a sear engaging a cocking surface. So, you cannot get the crisp feel of a very good match quality mechanical trigger. I believe that many folks who are so blown away by the electronic trigger have not experienced a true match quality mechanical trigger. They are both very good rifles. I prefer the Red Wolf, but I have to admit a bias against the current FX line of gadgetry, probably just my old school mentality. 
 
Dont forget the significant price difference between the two guns. The DS is $3000. You can get a synthetic FXC for $1600. Laminate FXC for $2100. And that comes with two barrels. How much do you value the bells and whistles of the DS?

Guess it's a matter of perspective. I value not having the bells and whistles of the Crown! Once you accept the electronics, the RW/Safari is very simple. 
 
Dont forget the significant price difference between the two guns. The DS is $3000. You can get a synthetic FXC for $1600. Laminate FXC for $2100. And that comes with two barrels. How much do you value the bells and whistles of the DS?

Guess it's a matter of perspective. I value not having the bells and whistles of the Crown! Once you accept the electronics, the RW/Safari is very simple.

This is how I see it also.... the “bells and whistles” on the Crown are just a pain in the ass and something else to fuss with for me. The Daystate electronic platform is incredibly simple and robust. You rarely hear about an electronic Daystate with problems stemming from the actual electronics themselves. 


I previously had an Airwolf MCT that was hands down the most accurate air gun I have ever had my hands on, and I have owned and shot many.... i owned it for 8 years and never had a single problem of any kind with over 25,000 pellets down the tube in its life. 


I can pull my Safari out of the safe, put it in a hard case, drive a couple hours away to my hunting spot and have 100% confidence that it will hit dead on, POA / POI. I’ve done this many many times, in fact, I am trying to think if I have ever had to re zero after initially zeroing the rifle. I liked my Crown. It was light, had a nice trigger, quiet, and accurate.... but each and every time there would be a POI deviation when I took it out of the gun case or safe. I had no faith in it for taking game. That is my experience... I know others out there have had the same and others have not. 


The overall shooting pleasure, pride of ownership, quality, and outstanding accuracy all make the Safari worth every penny in my book. It’s not for everyone.... and that’s perfectly fine. It’s too expensive for some... understandably so.... some don’t like the electronics..... ok, it’s 2020.... some don’t like the brand. Either way, it’s another option that is out there and it’s a good one at that.
 
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This^ I use mine in 15" barrel config almost exclusively hunting squirrel in the woods. I have made some very long shots using 16gr hades in 22 at 960fps.



Also, I do absolutely love all the "gadetry" on the Crown. But because the concept and implementation is actually quite simple and straightforward. Adjustable trigger position. Adjustable port size, hammer tension. Make it very easy and nice to de-tune the gun for plinking or closer paper. Or add a smidge of power. Or triple output. 
 
There seems to be this mistaken impression that, just because the Crown is easy to tinker with, you're somehow compelled to. Not the case at all. Mechanically, Crowns are actually pretty simple, elegant, and actually not much different about them from any other airgun. The barrels attach the same way, they have a regulator, bottle, plenum, and spring tensioned hammer. What FX changed wasn't the basic architecture, it was the accessibility to it. Now the hammer spring preload is easily adjustable with a knob. Don't like it? Don't turn it. The transfer port hole size is another easy, and more common, adjustment. And they put the reg in an accessible position so, again, you can easily adjust it. It isn't fundamentally different from say a RAW in that regard. 

As far as accuracy goes, I'd argue that all the "premium" brands out there are really likely a tossup. Both have won competitions (EBR) and can shoot sub MOA on a good day. Out of any two rifles and one may be better than another, but that is just chance as some guns will just have better barrels than others. You'll see this go both ways, someone will claim one was more accurate than another, and someone else will contradict them. I've never seen a shred of aggregated data to suggest one brand is actually better on average than the other. 

Keep in mind that world class competitive rifle shooters typically go to who they believe is the best barrel maker, and order half a dozen barrels. They then shoot each of them and pick the best one for their competition rifle. (often harmonics tuning is part of that game as well) If having THE BEST accuracy is your game, I'd give the edge to the Crown simply because you can lathe fit a normal Loather Walther (or whoever) barrel blank to either gun with the same amount of effort/cost, however with the Crown you can also quite easily just pick up half a dozen liners and swap them picking the best with little effort, and/or picking different chokes and twist rates. I don't think it is necessary unless you're looking for tenths of an inch at 100 yards, but if you were looking for the absolute maximum accuracy, that is how you go about it. To be fair this can cut the other way though, you can fit an STX barrel to a RW, at least one gentleman on this forum did and was very pleased with the results, but it is more of an involved process. 

The one performance thing with the Safari worth noting is the lack of a regulator. Despite being ostensibly "electronically regulated," the air delivery will vary substantially from shot to shot. This can actually be seen in the sound signature of these "self-regulating" (hammer regulated) guns. This can change muzzle turbulence, pellet BC, etc throughout the shot cycle. And it is a known phenomenon, even acknowledged by Daystate. It is also one of the primary advantages of the Delta Wolf. 
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/daystates-all-new-delta-wolf-intro-video/page/2/#post-657942

And finally, the price difference is also worth noting. A Redwolf Safari with programmer is ~3,300$. You could almost purchase THREE Crown VPs for that (1,350$ each). That is certainly something to consider. 



Full disclosure, I own not one but TWO FX Crowns, one running the factory 80FPE tune, the other 32fpe. Love both of them. 
 
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I absolutely agree with STO, in that any brand advantage in accuracy is nonexistent. 90%+ of the accuracy potential of any rifle is the barrel. Everything else gets down to features and personal preferences. My experience with the two rifles in question is limited to a sample of one each. My Red Wolf has been trouble free from the start, with the only changes in zero due to different pellets or power level. The Crown displayed changes in POI from the beginning, along with liner fouling that required frequent cleaning. The current generation Crown appears to have a more robust barrel sleeve/liner design, which I applaud. I would not discourage anyone from buying a Crown, I can only report my experience. I am very happy with my Red Wolf, and equally happy with my FX Royale 400, which is my favorite platform in FX history. Unfortunately, it's boring in today's world, and doesn't get much discussion.
 
I want to add a couple suggestions, sounds like you have it narrowed down to those two guns? So go to a dealer or find a couple enthusiast’s that will let you shoot them back to back and let your instincts tell you... at the end of the day if the gun isn’t fun or confident inspiring then it doesn’t matter really! We can debate the attributes of each all day long, but do yourself a favor and try to shoot each, I wish I would have done this with a couple purchases I made, because if I did that, I never would have bought them! Look at it this way to, if you purchase a less expensive gun you can put the money saved into optics? Can never go wrong there!
 
I want to add a couple suggestions, sounds like you have it narrowed down to those two guns? So go to a dealer or find a couple enthusiast’s that will let you shoot them back to back and let your instincts tell you... at the end of the day if the gun isn’t fun or confident inspiring then it doesn’t matter really! We can debate the attributes of each all day long, but do yourself a favor and try to shoot each, I wish I would have done this with a couple purchases I made, because if I did that, I never would have bought them!


This is good advice.