Daystate Red Wolf shooting really bad

i have a .22 red wolf also. only two months old. my rifle started out with similar results as yours. after a good barrel cleaning the groups tightened up. my RW seems to be picky about barrel cleaning. after 200 - 300 pellets the groups go to hell. but it is getting better the more i use it. mine shoots JSB jumbo monster redesigned 25.39 gr & H&N baracuda long range hunting 21.14 gr very good. 1/2" at 50 yards. it will get better!!!

Scott in Wisconsin

try jsb monsters 25.4 redesigned, those are made for that rifle!

I started to think the redesigned JSBs on high power going 975fps were the best thing going for my RW but when I changed to mid power they got even tighter. 870fps from what I have seen appears to be the magic speed for JSB pellets of any weight. Have not tried the beasts yet, but the redesigned 25gr hit hard and shoot very well out past 100 yards. If you can, get the sun behind you and shoot at a tree branch or something elevated with a safe backstop of course. You will be able to watch the pellets and see how they react to power level changes. Go too high in fps and they will spiral. 

Shooting three in one hole and then a flyer would suggest to me that it's the ammo unless it's shooter error or conditions. However an unusual vibration shouldn't be. If it was just a lousy group it could be almost anything but I'd check the ammo first. The red wolf likes the heavier pellets.



I've had 22 rim fires that would throw the first shot out of a cold barrel WAY off and then settle down and shoot good groups. 



Unless you have an indoor range and are an accomplished bench rest shooter it can be maddening. 



That vibration would be something that AOA would have to evaluate comparing one gun to the next. For an owner it would be next to impossible unless you have a friend with the same gun.. (Not likely) 

I bought a second Redwolf today, didnt touch it straight to the range, ragged one hole groups from the first shot! I did exactly the same with the first one.

Shot a group with all the types from the JSB tester box, every one shot just as well.

I had a frustrating day at the range. I received my new RW yesterday in 22 and was very excited. Played around in the back yard and was alarmed to see how shocking the light pellets shot at 20 yards. But it appeared that the heavy pellets (JSP Beast 33 grain) shot well and much tighter. 

At the range today (perfect day) the rifle would not shoot. It would dot up three and then sling one .5" away at 25 yards. Then I would play more and it would shoot 3 into a dot but the next group would be a 1"!! I shot my Impact .25 at the same distance and it ripped them all into a tiny group. I got my friend to shoot the RW and it slung shots around. I tried Medium, Low and High power. Nothing helped.



The test target from AOA looks decent (not amazing) and I will say that I can get the gun to group fairly decent at 25 sometimes but the more you shoot it the less confidence one has due to very erratic shots. 



I am shooting the 33 Beast. That is better than the others but still poor. 

I have note yet cleaned the barrel so that could be an issue. I am shooting off bags and a concrete bench. The pellets appear to be okay. This problem occurs in all power ranges. I changed scopes and it made no difference. I removed the shroud and it shot no better. I do get the sense that there is some vibration in the gun when I shoot but being new to PCP I do not know if that is normal. I got my friend to shoot it as well and it was slinging shots.



Does anyone have an idea what I am running into?



Chris

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I never saw a final status of the problem. What was the cause of the bad groups?

Asking because I also have a new rw not doing what it should.

I know this is an old thread, but I thought my Red Wolf experience might be relevant to the OP and some of the respondents. I have a standard power RW in .22. As received, it would shoot a good group, then maybe a lousy one. Unexplained flyers continued during the course of eliminating all the usual variables one might suspect. Finally, there was nothing left except the barrel. I described the symptoms and my trouble shooting to the folks at AOA, and they agreed that the barrel was the likely issue. They sent me new barrel, and it immediately shot great, and continues to do so. In fact, it shoots as well as my RAW and Steyr. I sent the original barrel to a tuner who is well known to many AGN members, and the original barrel was scoped and found to have a couple of burrs in the chamber and port opening, so pellets were probably being damaged when loading. I will mention another thing that could be related, although not proven. The original barrel was one with an air stripper that screws on the threaded muzzle. The replacement barrel is not threaded, its stripper simply slides onto the muzzle and attaches with a grub screw. The AOA folks mentioned that some barrels of that generation were found to be problematic. Threading the muzzle of a barrel is a longstanding and much debated topic, and I do not claim to know the answer, as I'm neither a machinist or metallurgist. But, I believe it has been proven that threading the muzzle can alter the internal bore dimensions. So, if you are having accuracy issues with a RW, don't overlook the most critical component, the barrel. 

To the OP, you mentioned a strange sound and vibration upon firing. You probably know by now, that is the normal firing cycle of the rifle. Since you don't have a spring and hammer slamming around in there, the sensation is different, but what you heard and felt is likely normal. 

Just as an FYI ... had one of my customers have a similar issue with a .22 RW and had the vendor replace the barrel under warranty.

I asked to see the faulty barrel and had it sent to me for inspection. 

*This being what I have come to conclude as an earlier barrel version having the barrels O.D. stepped down between the threaded muzzle and breech area.



Upon inspection and pushing some pellets found the LEADE area not blended into the rifling land/groove and each pellet loaded SHAVED lead and not simply pressing the rifling into lead pellet as is correct. Placed the barrel onto one of my daystates and shot it ... YUCK !!

After reworking the Leade and smoothing the transition of rifling pellet loaded much better and there was no lead shaving .. reshot finding much better accuracy.



Sense then re-machined it adding a step up collar to fit my RAW TM-1000. Then made a sleeve to fit over it with an internal threaded thimble to bring the barrel into TENSION stretching it. Shot on my TM at 35 yards with the light 13.4 JSB's @ 840 fps .... Single hole accurate.

check if the battery has the two o-rings on it. if loose could cause a vibration.

Sense then re-machined it adding a step up collar to fit my RAW TM-1000. Then made a sleeve to fit over it with an internal threaded thimble to bring the barrel into TENSION stretching it. Shot on my TM at 35 yards with the light 13.4 JSB's @ 840 fps .... Single hole accurate.

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I dont know why more airguns aren't like that with the tension on the barrel. Seems like it would solve a few of the inconsistencies with grouping.

Probably has to do with the way most airgun barrels are mounted to the action. No way to actually put tension on the barrel without pulling it out of the action.

I have a .22 HP and I re programmed it and its now shooting awesome .... after a lot of research , reprogramming and experimentations I discovered that there are some causes for RW bad shooting groups :



1) Wrong velocities ... in .22 both JSB 18 and 25g need to be shot at least at 900 t0 930 fps . Cronograph them and if they don't have these Vos send the gun back to your dealer for a reprogramming set up .

2) The pellet diameters , JSBs are very irregular pellets nowadays ,,, if you are using pellets with head diameters bellow 5.46 mm they will not shoot well ... so try another pellet tin with other serial tin number if possible.

3) The barrel needs to be cleaned often .

4) Rws doesn't like a lot of kind of pellets ... keep your attention and focus in JSBs 18 , 25 and 34g.



Rws are great rifles but need a perfect set up for the type of pellet you want to use . Also is very strange that Daystate doesn't provide the handheld programmer with the gun , its a such versatile machine , and worst ...if you buy it for U$ 400 there are no manuals and a nothing about re programming in Daystate web site . Its like that they are selling a Beta version of this rifle lol !