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    Nueces
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    AoA has a new video up … shooting ringneck doves and pigeons at a feed lot.

    Good video.  I have to wonder about these very expensive electronic airguns.   They’re either the wave of the future or Daystate’s downfall.  Or maybe just a failed effort.

    I get the idea of a computer controlled valve.   If they can make it bullet proof its gotta be better.  But I would dearly like to know just how dependable the electronics in these guns are.  I don’t know who’s buying them.  AoA claims they can’t keep them on the shelf.  Nobody writes about them here or on the yellow forum.  

    I like the size of the Pulsar.  Do not like the location of the feed lever.  ( it is no longer a cocking lever )  The gun is butt ugly but I don’t buy airguns for their beauty.  

    What is the warrantee on Daystate’s ?  I can’t get AoA’s antique website to work right now.

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    d_denver
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    Nice video. I sure wish I had a target rich place like that to shoot at.

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    Nueces
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    “d_denver”Nice video. I sure wish I had a target rich place like that to shoot at.

    
Yeah,  there’s target rich and then there’s target off the chain sick nuts. %^)

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    fe7565
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    I am pretty sure Daystate still has a 3 years warranty.

    http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/airgun-industry-warranty-please-post-the-policy-for-each-brand-you-know/

    I have a 2008 Daystate Airwolf MVT .22, (bought it in 2012) probably one of the most misunderstood guns. It has a chrono built into the shroud and the computer adjusts the solenoid that controls the valve dwell for each shot based on the velocity you set. I get over 120 shots or more at around 900fp because of the computer controlled superior efficiency. Many people had problems with the chrono because they did not understand how it works, how to clean it (if needed), why not to mess with the wires, etc.  A guy and his wife on the South African airgun forum kept buying up many of those MVTs that the moron owners ruined and they fixed them up and worked for years without any issues.  Plainly said, if you cannot figure out how to set your VCR clock (sorry, showing my age) fully electronic guns are not for you because you will always treat them with deep suspicion. The same goes for TESLA cars.

    I had two issues with mine (besides what the previous owner mucked up on it).  The firmware was outdated and that caused it to “forget” the velocity settings. This was fixed by sending it to AOA (was not under warranty anymore) and cost over $400 because it needed a new circuit board (computer) and compatible battery,and a new chrono board because the new firmware was not compatible with the old hardware (boards). This was in the “early” days of electronic Daystates so I am sure that these elementary mistakes were eliminated on recent models.  

    The second problem occurred two years later after I pulled the rifle out of storage and there was a leak in the pressure sensor.  It cost me $100 to get a new one from AOA and fixed it myself.  These two customer service dealings with AOA left a sour taste in my mouth from which I never recovered from.

    I have not been shooting it for a while because it’s so damn heavy with a scope to lug around here in the urban jungle near DC. Instead, my Vulcans and FX Impact were getting my attention.  But I plan on getting the Talon Tunes $185 cf tank as they weigh half as the metal one, and also want to make a CF or lightweight bullpup or shorty carbine stock for it.  

    The MVT is such a pleasure to shoot, like a Cadillac.  The trigger is really a micro-switch, and the bolt does not really cock anything just indexes the magazine. I do understand that if the battery dies (one charge is good for over two thousand shots), or if there is an electronic malfunction, the entire rifle is dead in the water. That could be  show stopper for some.  But I do not hear any such issues with the MCT (the non-chrono newer version) of the MVT or other fully electronic Daystates. The MVT was advertised as fully waterproof, and it was actually tested by a British airgun magazine submerged in the bottom of  swimming pool and it kept on working.  So, if people do not muck around with it, it will keep on working.  My favorite airgun is my MVT.

     

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    Marksman3006
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    My pulsar hasnt given me any issues. It is very accurate and downright fun to shoot. With the huggett installed it has to be one of the quietest guns around. It is downright crazy quiet. Im getting around 70 shots on high power….jsb 18.13gr at around 920 fps.

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    TonyT
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    “Nueces”AoA has a new video up … shooting ringneck doves and pigeons at a feed lot.

    Good video.  I have to wonder about these very expensive electronic airguns.   They’re either the wave of the future or Daystate’s downfall.  Or maybe just a failed effort.

    I get the idea of a computer controlled valve.   If they can make it bullet proof its gotta be better.  But I would dearly like to know just how dependable the electronics in these guns are.  I don’t know who’s buying them.  AoA claims they can’t keep them on the shelf.  Nobody writes about them here or on the yellow forum.  

    I like the size of the Pulsar.  Do not like the location of the feed lever.  ( it is no longer a cocking lever )  The gun is butt ugly but I don’t buy airguns for their beauty.  

    What is the warrantee on Daystate’s ?  I can’t get AoA’s antique website to work right now.

    
I went through a bit of agony before finally purchasing my 25 Airwolf four years ago. Many years ago Morini introduced a free pistol with an electronic trigger. The only problem was the miniature battery they used was somewhat unique and when it was discontinued the free pistols became expensive paper weights. I finally overcame the resistance, bit the bullet, and purchased the Airwolf. My rationale was that at my age I could not take it with me so I might as well go for it. Fortunately my electronic problems were discovered shortly after purchase and covered under warranty. The Airwolf has been chugging along since then without complications and I have put ca. 6000 rounds through the rifle.

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    Nueces
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    fe7565,
    Thanks.  Interesting story as well.  A three year warranty inspires confidence.  Now if they’d just move that feed lever forward.

    Marksman3006,
    Pulsar looks pretty good in black.  

    TonyT,
    Thanks.  Who works on these things besides AoA if you might know?

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    ozone08
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    I must admit when I seen the first pictures of the Pulsar I was massively disappointed I thought it was hideous then when I went to pick of a new rifle from my local gun shop they had one on display on the counter and I was impressed a few weeks later I had my very own :)

    As a few people have mentioned they come with a 3 year warranty but im yet to hear about any electrical faults on the forums I totally understand how people can be put off with the electronics.  I have had a MK4, MK4 Platinum, Air Wolf and a pulsar and up to now (touch wood) the only electrical related fault if encounter between the 4 was with the Platinum and the fault was the LCD display didnt auto dim after 10 seconds so had to send it to the factory for updates software.

    If all of my mechanical air rifles where as reliably then id be a happy chappy.

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    zebra
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    I think you probably don’t hear much about the expensive electronic air guns because not a lot of people own them. It’s likely to be the price and not the electronics that is the main limiting factor. More people seem to own expensive air guns on this forum than some of the others though.

    One thing Daystate has a reputation for is quality so I wouldn’t be worried about issues with the electronics if I wanted a Pulsar. People who own them generally have good things to say. There are just other bullpups that I like better for less money right now.

    I actually have have no idea if the electronic valve provides greater shot to shot consistency than a good regular in other high end air rifles. If they do, they haven’t done a good job of promoting that feature. If they don’t, people might see it as technology for the sake of it.

    People know that technology has obsolescence built in to it. I know that I don’t use any of the electronics I bought in the 1990’s anymore, for example. My Career 707 is still going strong though. On the other hand, I’m a sucker for gadgets so if they brought out a lightweight accurate bullpup I liked the look of….

     

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    Scott_MCT
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    I purchased my AirWolf MCT about 4 years ago and it has been completely trouble free.  I’ve read some posts that indicate the battery might start to fail at about the 5 year mark but so far so good.  I can’t put into words what a micro-switch trigger felt like the first time I shot the gun.  No creep and probably not much more that a 1 ounce pull, crazy stuff.  I had Neil Clague make an LCD for it, and that turned out to be just as impressive as the gun itself.  I’m sure the Pulsar is just as impressive but for me, if I want a bull pup I desire something smaller, and lighter which is why I went for the WildCat.

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    “Marksman3006”My pulsar hasnt given me any issues. It is very accurate and downright fun to shoot. With the huggett installed it has to be one of the quietest guns around. It is downright crazy quiet. Im getting around 70 shots on high power….jsb 18.13gr at around 920 fps.

    
I have been up and down on this rifle, but I really Like the Pulsar in Synthetic. You have a great picture! I am really considering a bullpup in .25. I will be heading to Phoenix and hope to look at both the Pulsar and Renegade (when it comes out).

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    Nueces
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    Yes,  the synthetic looks best I think.  Plus they want another pile of money for the wood.  And really the wood looks kinda weird on these ‘space guns’.

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    zebra
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    “Nueces”Yes,  the synthetic looks best I think.  Plus they want another pile of money for the wood.  And really the wood looks kinda weird on these ‘space guns’.

    
I thought I was the only one who doesn’t like wood on bullpups. I agree – wood does look weird on modern bullpup designs. I think people have a hard time with plastic as the alternative though. It just seems wrong on a $2000 air gun. They should have a composites option like you find on high end firearms stocks.

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    Marksman3006
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    The synthetic stock on the pulsar doesnt look or feel cheap. The whole gun is a quality piece of kit. The trigger is amazing. The side lever is effortless and remains one of my favorite features. It is silky smooth. It has never jammed…..the cycling/indexing is perfect. The whole gun is just perfect and purpose built. I too was on the fence in the looks department and still admit its not pretty…………but damn I love my pulsar. It is so quiet with the huggett…..hearing the pellet smack the target never gets old. You would have to hear one with a good ldc to see what Im talking about. Lastly its unfair to say its not regulated…see below.

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    NMshooter
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    Very nice numbers Marksman. Dang nice spread (898- 911)! Please don’t post anymore about this rifle, LOL, trying hard not to want this it! 

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    zebra
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    “Marksman3006”The synthetic stock on the pulsar doesnt look or feel cheap. The whole gun is a quality piece of kit. The trigger is amazing. The side lever is effortless and remains one of my favorite features. It is silky smooth. It has never jammed…..the cycling/indexing is perfect. The whole gun is just perfect and purpose built. I too was on the fence in the looks department and still admit its not pretty…………but damn I love my pulsar. It is so quiet with the huggett…..hearing the pellet smack the target never gets old. You would have to hear one with a good ldc to see what Im talking about. Lastly its unfair to say its not regulated…see below.

    
I thought the Pulsar self regulated using it’s electronic valve / firing system? Are you saying it has a traditional regulator too, or that the electronic valve / firing system is a regulator of sorts? 

    Either way, you can’t argue with the results. That’s amazing consistency. 

    My issue with plastic stocks is not about them feeling cheap. My Cricket’s synthetic stock feels like a quality piece. It’s much more rigid and far stronger than the Benjamin Bulldog stock, as an example. The issue is that plastic is heavy. By the time you have made the plastic thick enough so that it doesn’t flex, it’s 3 times heavier than a composite stock of comparable strength. 

    Also, plastic is cheap. Daystate’s walnut stocks are particularly attractive and expensive-looking, as they should be on air guns in that price range. Imo, a company like Daystate should have synthetic stocks of comparable quality and that means using composites or aluminum like you see on other high end stocks. 

     

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    ozone08
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    I like the plastic on mine its actually pretty well made especially underneath as for the weight the pulsar is really back heavy so maybe this was deliberate to add a bit of balance.

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