I'm thinking about moving up from gen 1 marauder and have narrowed my choices down to two rifles the daystate wolverine B hi lite .25 or the fx bobcat mk2 .25. I'm sure that id be completely happy with either one I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand experience with these two rifles and would be willing to share some advice. Any help would be appreciated
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Ferrari vs lamborgini.......???? Do you want a rifle or a bullpup? Seriously......either one will blow your socks off.
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Recent thread about it here.
/topic/opinions-between-daystate-and-fx/
Couldn't post a link to the thread for some reason so I copied and pasted my contribution to the thread below.
I'm one of the guys that had some problems with the Daystate Wolverine recently. I'm also a long time owner of the FX Royale and I'm on my second one. I can tell you my experience with them but it's hard to translate intangible's over a forum, especially when different things will be important to different people. Also, after having both I greatly prefer the Royale over the Wolverine so my following sentiment is likely to sound really biased, but I like talking about the differences in guns I've owned so here it is none the less.
Overall, what I like about the Royale platform:
1) Consistency / accuracy. Accuracy in spades. Here is a video that I made recently of me shooting a 33 shot group at 51 yards with the Royale. (fair warning, video editing sucks lol) That's JSB 25g picked straight from the tin. I can't tell you how accurate the Wolverine is because both of mine had a problem out of the box that prevented me from being able to see what it's capabilities were.
2) Regulated, and regulated very well. Here is something to consider. The Wolverine and Royale get about the same amount of shots. The thing is though that the Royale 400 does this with only a 400cc bottle, where the Wolverine has a 480cc bottle. The Royale is clearly more efficient and will use less air to accomplish the same thing.
3) Regulated. Didn't I already say that? haha Yes, but that was in regards to shot count. Now I'm referring to consistency. In .22, if you shoot a full string of 80 or 90 shots or whatever it is from both guns, your extreme spread will be much higher on the Wolverine. Even with the Harper valve system there will still be a larger bell curve to your shot string. If you shoot an entire string into one single group, you will notice your group will start to go higher on the paper as the bell curve increases with the Wolverine. Also, when the bell curve drops, so will your shots / POI.
Here are pics of a full shot string from both guns. (Both these guns were in .25 by the way, not .22)
To be fair, I've had my Royale adjusted so that it's shooting at around 890fps so it might get a few less shots now.
4) Noise. The Wolverine in .25 was noticeably louder than my .25 Royale. I don't think this will matter as much for either gun if you're sticking with a .22. I'm pretty sure they're both fairly quiet in that caliber.
5) Side lever cocking on the Royale is much much much smoother than the bolt on the Wolverine. I can't stress this enough. I've had 2 AA S-510's and the Royale is even smoother to cock than those. The best I can explain it is that when I'm shooting groups and want to maintain a consistent eye relief / line of sight through the scope, I have a much harder time with the Wolverine. I have to alter my position to "brace" the gun a bit so that I can pull the bolt back and then cycle it forward again.
Build quality I would say is a draw. Each gun has exceptional machining and there are no rough edges to be found anywhere on either gun and both feel solid.
I really enjoy the smooth twist barrel and the fact that I almost never have to clean it.
The Wolverine is a "prettier" gun I think. It has very sexy lines and is visually very well laid out. The shape/design of the stock is gorgeous but for the cost of the gun one would think it would at least come with an adjustable butt pad, which is another nod to the Royale. Small nod, but still a nod.
The Royale is less expensive right now with the recent price drop a few months ago. Granted, the Wolverine has a special going on where you get a hawke airmax scope with it, but it's still $610 more than the Royale.
The Royale weighs about a 1/2 pound less.
The Royale also has a very repeatable 3 way power adjuster which, if just plinking, can let you get many more shots.
I prefer the magazine system on the Royale better, but that may just be due to the fact I've been using it for a few years and I'm very comfortable with it. Also after thousands of rounds through the 3 mags I have, none have ever given me a single hiccup or glitch or misfire or anything.
I like the trigger on the Royale a little better. Not only do I prefer the way it feels, but it is much easier to adjust than the one on the Wolverine. For that matter, I've had my Royale completely apart, regulator out, etc and it is a very simple and easy gun to work on if the need ever arises.
Did I say this was going to make me sound like I'm biased? lol.
Anyway, there it is. I hope you enjoy whichever one you end up selecting. As slanted as my opinion is, they are both nice guns in their own right.
/topic/opinions-between-daystate-and-fx/
Couldn't post a link to the thread for some reason so I copied and pasted my contribution to the thread below.
I'm one of the guys that had some problems with the Daystate Wolverine recently. I'm also a long time owner of the FX Royale and I'm on my second one. I can tell you my experience with them but it's hard to translate intangible's over a forum, especially when different things will be important to different people. Also, after having both I greatly prefer the Royale over the Wolverine so my following sentiment is likely to sound really biased, but I like talking about the differences in guns I've owned so here it is none the less.
Overall, what I like about the Royale platform:
1) Consistency / accuracy. Accuracy in spades. Here is a video that I made recently of me shooting a 33 shot group at 51 yards with the Royale. (fair warning, video editing sucks lol) That's JSB 25g picked straight from the tin. I can't tell you how accurate the Wolverine is because both of mine had a problem out of the box that prevented me from being able to see what it's capabilities were.
2) Regulated, and regulated very well. Here is something to consider. The Wolverine and Royale get about the same amount of shots. The thing is though that the Royale 400 does this with only a 400cc bottle, where the Wolverine has a 480cc bottle. The Royale is clearly more efficient and will use less air to accomplish the same thing.
3) Regulated. Didn't I already say that? haha Yes, but that was in regards to shot count. Now I'm referring to consistency. In .22, if you shoot a full string of 80 or 90 shots or whatever it is from both guns, your extreme spread will be much higher on the Wolverine. Even with the Harper valve system there will still be a larger bell curve to your shot string. If you shoot an entire string into one single group, you will notice your group will start to go higher on the paper as the bell curve increases with the Wolverine. Also, when the bell curve drops, so will your shots / POI.
Here are pics of a full shot string from both guns. (Both these guns were in .25 by the way, not .22)
To be fair, I've had my Royale adjusted so that it's shooting at around 890fps so it might get a few less shots now.
4) Noise. The Wolverine in .25 was noticeably louder than my .25 Royale. I don't think this will matter as much for either gun if you're sticking with a .22. I'm pretty sure they're both fairly quiet in that caliber.
5) Side lever cocking on the Royale is much much much smoother than the bolt on the Wolverine. I can't stress this enough. I've had 2 AA S-510's and the Royale is even smoother to cock than those. The best I can explain it is that when I'm shooting groups and want to maintain a consistent eye relief / line of sight through the scope, I have a much harder time with the Wolverine. I have to alter my position to "brace" the gun a bit so that I can pull the bolt back and then cycle it forward again.
Build quality I would say is a draw. Each gun has exceptional machining and there are no rough edges to be found anywhere on either gun and both feel solid.
I really enjoy the smooth twist barrel and the fact that I almost never have to clean it.
The Wolverine is a "prettier" gun I think. It has very sexy lines and is visually very well laid out. The shape/design of the stock is gorgeous but for the cost of the gun one would think it would at least come with an adjustable butt pad, which is another nod to the Royale. Small nod, but still a nod.
The Royale is less expensive right now with the recent price drop a few months ago. Granted, the Wolverine has a special going on where you get a hawke airmax scope with it, but it's still $610 more than the Royale.
The Royale weighs about a 1/2 pound less.
The Royale also has a very repeatable 3 way power adjuster which, if just plinking, can let you get many more shots.
I prefer the magazine system on the Royale better, but that may just be due to the fact I've been using it for a few years and I'm very comfortable with it. Also after thousands of rounds through the 3 mags I have, none have ever given me a single hiccup or glitch or misfire or anything.
I like the trigger on the Royale a little better. Not only do I prefer the way it feels, but it is much easier to adjust than the one on the Wolverine. For that matter, I've had my Royale completely apart, regulator out, etc and it is a very simple and easy gun to work on if the need ever arises.
Did I say this was going to make me sound like I'm biased? lol.
Anyway, there it is. I hope you enjoy whichever one you end up selecting. As slanted as my opinion is, they are both nice guns in their own right.
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I asked the same question a few weeks ago in a tread. /topic/opinions-between-daystate-and-fx/ Although I was interested in a Daystate Wolverine or similar FX rifle (not bullpup). I was persuaded by some other members like Cliff_Allen above to look into the FX Royale. I will tell you I couldn't be happier with the FX. Very accurate and even has a regulator. I kind of got the impression that the fit and finish was not in the same league as the Daystate but........ The gun is up to my standards and I'm kind of anal about that stuff. I still have never even seen a Daystate in person but I'm glad I went with FX. Perhaps a Daystate next time.
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I too am a fan of the guns you list. I presently have a Wildcat. I would very much enjoy having the Wolverine or as Cliff mentions the Royale ( except for that wood trigger guard on the royales which actually offends me as a gun enthusiast ).
What one does with a gun is very important. I'm a pest shooter and I work and live within a 'compound' of a few houses and buildings where I drive around between them and often shoot right from the vehicle. A full sized rifle would be a real problem. I also often shoot off hand outside the vehicle. The bullpup form factor is very good for this and my accuracy % is pretty good. Not sure I could do this with a full sized rifle.
Esthetically I really like the Wolverine and the Royals. I'm just glad I got to shoot a good bullpup before I purchased on esthetics.
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Funny you say that...... That is how I felt looking at the pictures. Even the thumb hole for that fact. I think it looks way better in person.
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I would go with an Airwolf MCT over a Wolverine unless you are looking for .30. You will find they are much better in getting consistent fps (I have owned both). The triggers on the MCTs are also super smooth and way easier to be accurate with than the Wolverine (out of the box).
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As an avid Daystate customer as in £20,000 spent it pains to say on current form id say buy a FX your chances of getting a gun with problems are less than with Daystate thankfully all mine are now working flawlessly and wouldn't swap them for any other but as I said it's a bit of a lottery ATM so personally I wouldn't take the chance. Good luck with your purchase let us know what ya got.
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I have a daystate.....and faced the exact same delimma as you about a month ago when buying my first pcp. Ultimately.....I knew I would own both. My next rifle will be a boss laminate. It was a hard decision for sure. No regrets at this point. Im sure you will be thrilled either way. Ive never seen a royal in person but they have to be damn good.
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Daystate for most finely finished and attention to detail. Selling mine to a new home. 9oz trigger is amazing. Hardly use it though.
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I went crazy studying both brands you mention. A real plus if you have a shop near you to try some different models. I went with a Regal and I lover it, The trigger is amazing
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I have FX 500, blows me away as I take ground squirrels at 50-100 yards time after time. Never liked bull pups, then came Fx Impact, on the waiting list for.25. Drive by on the ranch Will be piece of cake.
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My FX Impact .25 and .30 arrive today. I'll let you know how it stacks up to the Air Wolf MCT.
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Not to confuse the matter but I have owned many (and still do) including both Daystate and FX. I would suggest looking at the RAW 1000x. Mine is a laser. They are bigger and heavier than either of the others mentioned but they are built like a tank and fitted like jewelry.
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I keep coming back to FX's 1-year warranty, vs Daystate's 3-ys, vs. Airs Arms' lifetime. Am I alone here?
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I think the warranty is a company commitment to the build quality of their product. My Daystate Airwolf MCT is a tack driver that I will always keep.
My FX Impact went back to AOA for over $1000 of warranty repairs and still was not right when it came back. I returned it to Precision Airguns for a refund a switched to a RAW .30.
I'm a big fan of regulated airguns from a consistency standpoint whether that is via Daystates electronic shot regulation or others mechanical regulation. I would not purchase a non regulate airgun at this point. I even added a regulator to my FX Ranchero to get 8 very precise shots over like 20 bell curve shots.
My FX Impact went back to AOA for over $1000 of warranty repairs and still was not right when it came back. I returned it to Precision Airguns for a refund a switched to a RAW .30.
I'm a big fan of regulated airguns from a consistency standpoint whether that is via Daystates electronic shot regulation or others mechanical regulation. I would not purchase a non regulate airgun at this point. I even added a regulator to my FX Ranchero to get 8 very precise shots over like 20 bell curve shots.
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Can't speak to a Daystate. Have had three FX rifles. Royale 200, 500 and Boss. All extremely accurate and very stingy on air. Still have the 500. Never ceases to impress me with it's accuracy and shot count. The FX valving is just superior. You can't go wrong with the Royale series. (Which the Bobcat is part of)
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If I need to spend $2,000 to get a great quality PCP, I'm open to it. What I still can't get my mind around is how that air rifle can only sport a 1 year warranty. All of the firearms I own have better warranties, mostly for less acquisition cost, and presumably with a higher risk profile (higher pressures, injuries etc). I don't get how FX can be at the top of the mountain, but only carry a 1 year warranty.
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