Daystate Huntsman Classic

I thought it was low too, so I called him again tonight to ask about it. I just got off the phone with him. He said that he ran that string from a full charge. He said the Huntsman Classic, when filled to 230 bar (max fill) takes several shots to climb up the velocity curve because of the extra force it takes for the hammer to open the valve. He said that because it was a max fill, the speeds of the first ten shots were low, which he says is expected. I tend to agree with him because I have seen a graph on this model Daystate Huntsman Classic and it demonstrated what the owner claims. I'll check again to be certain before I commit.

There is no power wheel on the DHC. But there is an adjuster on the pre-load of the hammer spring that I can tighten if it doesn't put out advertised velocities. I don't know what that entails, but, I know other owners have made adjustments to the hammer spring to adjust velocities.

I'm dealing with the original owner of the gun who got it new a year ago or so from Airguns of Arizona. He seems trustworthy. And his explanation seems more than plausible given the graph that I've already seen.

Thanks.....Do you have any other concerns about the DHC?

Appreciate all you have.

Tom

"MDiver"All depends on the original spec of your rifle, average is a touch under 24 fpe. So what do you want it for?
What is written on the SWP label on the breech block? (mine is 200)
These are trouble free once their initial problems (if any) are sorted.

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MDiver,

The original owner says it produces 23 FPE shooting 18.1 gr. JSBs. His velocities confirm his claims. But I thought the Huntsman Classic was a 30 FPE gun.

I want it for small game and for precision target shooting. Accuracy and Precision is KING. Knockdown power is secondary in importance to me. However, if it is supposed to be a 30FPE gun putting out only 23FPE, then I need to investigate why and what can be done to bring it up to 30FPE.

You asked about an "SWP label" on the breech block. I know nothing of it. What is it?

Owner reports never having an issue of any kind with the gun. It's been perfect since new.

I'm aware of the 12FPE limitation for Brits. But this gun was sold by AoA and should be putting out 30FPE unless my information is incorrect.

What say you, MDiver?

Appreciate your input.

BeemanR7

"jking"To me it sounds like he wasn't including the shots that were on the beginning of the shot string as part of his "high,low and average". He was missing out on a usable part of the bell curve if he waited till 774 for a high and caught the low of 756 on the end. That's what I'm gathering from the original post anyway. I'm very familiar with the Daystate Regal and if the Huntsman has the same hammer valve and spring set up it is adjustable. I recently sold mine but it had a very nice 35 shot string peaking in the 860's with 18.1's.
Jimmy

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jking,

Maybe my original post was unclear. I'll try again.

The original owner (the original owner is the current owner) topped it off to max fill (230 bar) and then fired these ten rounds of 18.1 gr. JSBs over the crony as requested by a previous buyer who backed out of the deal. His shot string reads thus:756
768
774
770
766
769
765
764
772
770

These 10 shots represent the very first 10 shots fired after a max fill of 230 bar. I comprehend that these velocities are well below the peak velocities expected in the middle (sweet spot) of the velocity curve. I just think they're lower than they should be unless Daystate released for U.S. imports a version of this gun limited to 24FPE. If not, then this gun should be running 30 FPE. It's only producing 23.6 FPE according to the original owner. It has produced only 23.6 FPE since new a year or so ago. He doesn't question this performance. I question it because it is advertised by AoA and others to be a 30FPE gun. Before I commit to buy it (I want it), I need to discover if it has a problem, and what I can do to fix after it arrives.

I also need to know if adjusting the pre-load on the hammer spring can raise this gun from 23.6 FPE to the advertised 30 FPE? Can adjusting the hammer spring make up that much difference, jking?

If this particular gun is a variant of the Daystate Huntsman Classic that was intended to be factory tuned to 24FPE, then there is no problem at all with this gun and it's doing exactly what it is designed to do. But I'm not aware of any Daystate Huntsman Classic guns that were released to the U.S.A with a 24 FPE limit. Are you aware of any?

What say you, jking?

Appreciate your input.

BeemanR7

"balllistic"Need a longer shot string from the owner. I'd expect it to start rising into the 800's by the end of 10 shots.. Could be the hammer spring needs adjustment or bad probe o-ring.

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Thanks for your reply, balllistic,

The owner claims that this rifle has produced only 24 FPE since new and he doesn't question it's performance. Unless I'm mistaken, this gun should be producing 30 FPE. I may opt to call AoA today and see if they released some editions of this gun that were factory tuned to only 24 FPE. If so, this may be one of them. If not, then something is wrong with it. All I need to do is find out if adjusting the hammer spring can bring it up to the designed 30 FPE.

I'd like to see a full shot string from max fill until it falls off the reg. But the owner already has it boxed up for me and I hate to ask him to go to the trouble, especially if I find out that Daystate produced a run of these guns for the U.S. market that were tuned for 24 FPE. If so, then this gun must be one of them and it is performing flawlessly.

I just got off the phone with AoA. AoA says the Daystate Huntsman Classic is a 30FPE gun. There are no 24 FPE versions. I told AoA that the owner says the gun has produced 23.6 FPE ever since new, and the owner believes this is normal and never questioned it's power output. AoA says that if it's only running 23.6 FPE, then there is definitely something wrong that requires service and repair. AoA says that if it's not broken, then somebody must have de-tuned the hammer sping/valve assembly, but it was not AoA. The owner says he bought it new from AoA, and that neither he nor anyone else has ever adjusted it.

Some have said that there are 24 FPE Classics. AoA says no. Anybody can make a mistake. But I've got to get to the bottom of this situation before I commit to buy it.

HELP!

BeemanR7

"balllistic"

"Rj"From what I have read in the past, the Huntsman classic (shorter tube). Was only about a 25 fpe rifle. The Regal xl came in 30 and 40 fpe versions.

My xl shoots 18's right at 850. If it's not an xl....it's probably shooting right where it's supposed to.

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A call to AoA is definitely in order then as those numbers would be right on if it's originally a 24/25 fpe gun.

Ted's review of the Classic from '13 puts it at 30fpe.

http://www.tedsholdover.com/huntsman_classic/

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I've seen this particular video. Several times. I love to watch that guy work Ted's data confirms that the Classic .22 is a 30 FPE gun. This video is what initially raised my concerns about the one I'm chomping at the bit to buy. Sure hope we can work this out and get it up to speed. There must be something wrong. We'll get it figured out. Thanks for the help.

"MDiver"All depends on the original spec of your rifle, average is a touch under 24 fpe. So what do you want it for?
What is written on the SWP label on the breech block? (mine is 200)
These are trouble free once their initial problems (if any) are sorted.

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MDiver,

I just now looked at one of the photos that the owner sent me. I see the SWP label that you are talking about. On his gun it says SWP 210. I'm assuming SWP means, "Standard Working Pressure". Is this correct? And why is your Standard Working Pressure 200; and his Standard Working Pressure 210 if you know? And what differences should one expect with a 200 vs. 210?

Thanks again,

BeemanR7