Daystate Delta Wolf...?

I have been shooting for a few days the RW and I can say is a pleasure to shoot electronics. Is really hard to go back after that. The trigger ...is like a mouse click

The future looks bright, Delta Wolf can be really something else ... will see! 1 more month for IWA , but for sure will be something I want to test and have in my hands!

The MCT system (AirWolf, RedWolf, Pulsar and all other variants) produces a long drawn out bell-curve. I didn't like it. Now, they are combining the next generation MCT w/feedback monitoring, and with mechanically controlled pressure regulations. Well heck yeah baby. This is going to be outstanding!! 

Well I just don’t don’t see it? I would still have two solenoids controlling this process, I understand the plenum, but not the old fashioned and prone to more failures and considerably more maintenance mechanical regulator? I believe in eliminating as many failure points such As O-rings etc.

Hi there! why 2 solenoids ?

Just thinking out loud here, but I think the regulator controls the high pressure and send the desired pressure to the regulated pressure chamber, then the solenoid (just one) will control the valve to send regulated air to the barrel. I think is better, that way the solenoid does not have to deal with different pressures of the bottle. Donno I might be wrong.

nomojo65 -

The mechanical regulator is critical in this process of making a more precise fire action. If you feed a constant pressure into the system you definitely simplify that design of the system because dealing with variable air pressure complicates the design. I've been so turned off by the "tuning programmer" that Daystate released. Programming the RedWolf seems like it would be as easy as making the ECU ignition and fuel mixture maps in a car. For every pressure change you need to calculate the proper dwell rate along with other variables - there's just no way to make that 100% accurate - there's too much going on in there. Not to mention that above 3000psi compressed air acts differently than below it. 

There are some times when mechanical rules over electronic. A mechanical regulator will do a more exact job than the MCTs air metering. Then the solenoid setup can be used to 1) control the shooting with mainly dweel time being the biggest factor and 2) use another solenoid to actuate the semi function. 

edosan - one solenoid would fire the gun, the second would actuate the loading process.

edit: dual solenoid could also offer the end user options between shooting in an open bolt or closed bolt setup. 

I think the electro- mechanical & electro-pneumatic control of the firing cycle is the future...period! And Daystate is ahead of the game as of now, other manufacturers will have to accept this and engineer there own specific designs which can be easily improved over Daystate’s design! I’ve been a proponent of this electronic platform on this forum for a couple yrs. and in my opinion there’s no better platform for consistency and accuracy! In my line of work I see these interactions everyday and lives depend on this technology from transportation to generating electricity and so on (just look @ multi-axis machining centers) and CC I assume you witnessed this as well... why Daystate would go backwards “if rumors are true?” Is beyond me? You can easily incorporate multiple solenoid actuated valving along with variable porting?,this is just one of a multitude of improvement that I’m sure we will see in the future! I guess I’ve said what’s on my mind, and Certain this will bring me some negative replies, I’ll own it!

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Can you shoot it in the rain? What happens if it gets dropped in some water? I'm sure it's sealed, but how well is yet to be determined. Lots of electronic gremlins in autos made in England.

I think the electro- mechanical & electro-pneumatic control of the firing cycle is the future...period! And Daystate is ahead of the game as of now, other manufacturers will have to accept this and engineer there own specific designs which can be easily improved over Daystate’s design! I’ve been a proponent of this electronic platform on this forum for a couple yrs. and in my opinion there’s no better platform for consistency and accuracy! In my line of work I see these interactions everyday and lives depend on this technology from transportation to generating electricity and so on (just look @ multi-axis machining centers) and CC I assume you witnessed this as well... why Daystate would go backwards “if rumors are true?” Is beyond me? You can easily incorporate multiple solenoid actuated valving along with variable porting?,this is just one of a multitude of improvement that I’m sure we will see in the future! I guess I’ve said what’s on my mind, and Certain this will bring me some negative replies, I’ll own it!

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Can you shoot it in the rain? What happens if it gets dropped in some water? I'm sure it's sealed, but how well is yet to be determined. Lots of electronic gremlins in autos made in England.

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They shot the AirWolf MCT, submerged in a pool, years ago. We can come up with all kind of ish to say that this system won't make it. Fact is, the MCT system has been proven for years. I don't think the core of the system is changing but rather being refined and with the added Huma as part of the system. 

That's pretty cool, and good to know.

that is a good idea for finding a leak. LOL

I think the electro- mechanical & electro-pneumatic control of the firing cycle is the future...period! And Daystate is ahead of the game as of now, other manufacturers will have to accept this and engineer there own specific designs which can be easily improved over Daystate’s design! I’ve been a proponent of this electronic platform on this forum for a couple yrs. and in my opinion there’s no better platform for consistency and accuracy! In my line of work I see these interactions everyday and lives depend on this technology from transportation to generating electricity and so on (just look @ multi-axis machining centers) and CC I assume you witnessed this as well... why Daystate would go backwards “if rumors are true?” Is beyond me? You can easily incorporate multiple solenoid actuated valving along with variable porting?,this is just one of a multitude of improvement that I’m sure we will see in the future! I guess I’ve said what’s on my mind, and Certain this will bring me some negative replies, I’ll own it!

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Can you shoot it in the rain? What happens if it gets dropped in some water? I'm sure it's sealed, but how well is yet to be determined. Lots of electronic gremlins in autos made in England.

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Come on - for real? How often do you go out and shoot ANY $2500 gun in the rain? This is starting to get absurd. Next we'll be concerned about an EMP from a solar blast frying the electronics. Or maybe someone hacking the BT during a competition to screw up the gun?

I think the electro- mechanical & electro-pneumatic control of the firing cycle is the future...period! And Daystate is ahead of the game as of now, other manufacturers will have to accept this and engineer there own specific designs which can be easily improved over Daystate’s design! I’ve been a proponent of this electronic platform on this forum for a couple yrs. and in my opinion there’s no better platform for consistency and accuracy! In my line of work I see these interactions everyday and lives depend on this technology from transportation to generating electricity and so on (just look @ multi-axis machining centers) and CC I assume you witnessed this as well... why Daystate would go backwards “if rumors are true?” Is beyond me? You can easily incorporate multiple solenoid actuated valving along with variable porting?,this is just one of a multitude of improvement that I’m sure we will see in the future! I guess I’ve said what’s on my mind, and Certain this will bring me some negative replies, I’ll own it!

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Can you shoot it in the rain? What happens if it gets dropped in some water? I'm sure it's sealed, but how well is yet to be determined. Lots of electronic gremlins in autos made in England.

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Come on - for real? How often do you go out and shoot ANY $2500 gun in the rain? This is starting to get absurd. Next we'll be concerned about an EMP from a solar blast frying the electronics. Or maybe someone hacking the BT during a competition to screw up the gun?

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For real.

I think the electro- mechanical & electro-pneumatic control of the firing cycle is the future...period! And Daystate is ahead of the game as of now, other manufacturers will have to accept this and engineer there own specific designs which can be easily improved over Daystate’s design! I’ve been a proponent of this electronic platform on this forum for a couple yrs. and in my opinion there’s no better platform for consistency and accuracy! In my line of work I see these interactions everyday and lives depend on this technology from transportation to generating electricity and so on (just look @ multi-axis machining centers) and CC I assume you witnessed this as well... why Daystate would go backwards “if rumors are true?” Is beyond me? You can easily incorporate multiple solenoid actuated valving along with variable porting?,this is just one of a multitude of improvement that I’m sure we will see in the future! I guess I’ve said what’s on my mind, and Certain this will bring me some negative replies, I’ll own it!

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Can you shoot it in the rain? What happens if it gets dropped in some water? I'm sure it's sealed, but how well is yet to be determined. Lots of electronic gremlins in autos made in England.

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Come on - for real? How often do you go out and shoot ANY $2500 gun in the rain? This is starting to get absurd. Next we'll be concerned about an EMP from a solar blast frying the electronics. Or maybe someone hacking the BT during a competition to screw up the gun?

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For real.

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I'm a pool shooter. I harpoon hunt with my airguns too. You guys that aren't into submerged hunting, well, you just haven't lived................

I'm a pool shooter. I harpoon hunt with my airguns too. You guys that aren't into submerged hunting, well, you just haven't lived................

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Well..........Technically speaking......I have hunted with an “airgun” submerged in the ocean. While not electronically controlled, these Spearguns are Pneumatically Powered. 
https://youtu.be/t5Codg3bawk  

There is another good reason to have mechanical/electronic set up... “Harmonics “

Slugs are fussy about harmonics and they need to be consistent. The RedWolf starts at 250b at the valve and makes adjustments to hammer(solenoid) strike and dwell time down the around 150b. Each change in turn changes the harmonics of the gun. 
A plenum with a constant pressure means constant harmonics. 
I have shot my RedWolf tethered (mechanical/electronic)quite a bit and it is never more consistent. 
It will be better for slugs! 

Intenseaty: I used those in the early 80s, not quite as powerful as a 3 band comp.spear gun but they work.

Intenseaty: I used those in the early 80s, not quite as powerful as a 3 band comp.spear gun but they work.

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It was my buddy’s gun, I really didn’t like it. Mine is a 2 band Teak Riffe. 

I owe everyone a apology!, just had quite the smack down with my impact... maybe a mechanical Reg. Hammer and spring can compete with my RW! Look a the thread under BLACK MAMBA in the Benchrest topic! 

You talking about Edosan? He is a heck of a shooter and really does great with his Impact.



I'm not sure what you mean when you say you had quite a smack down with your Impact. I looked for the convo your talking about and could only find where Edosan was detuning his gun. When you look at the big events, Impacts and RWs dominate the top.

I didn’t word it well I guess, but I’m admitting that my impact is equal to or better than my red wolf!, and I was saying basically nothing could beat Daystate’s electric firing cycle, nothing against edosan or any other members. I Just learned a important point know what your talking about before you open your mouth! I’m taking a break....