DAYSTATE DELTA WOLF

I'm not sure the purpose of this post?? If you truly think the impact will be easier to setup then good for you. I'm not sure how you think that where it literally takes seconds to do so with the DW. And if you haven't seen the videos on the barrel swaps they look very simple and easy. Not sure where you think itll be so hard and confusing. Also this isn't new. Daystate has been doing electronic guns for years and has been working on this gun for a long time too. 

And scope height difference from the impact is minimal so I guess your impacts scope rail is too high also??

After watching some of the videos I kind of feel like you’re paying for just some really fancy cheap LCD screens. You can literally do most of what the Delta Wolf offers on a FX impact. It’s also cheaper and it seems to be more reliable seeing as the impact is older and more regularly updated. I just don’t think starting at $2900 without the bells and whistle’s is worth the Delta wolf, I think I’m just gonna stick with my impact. I also again after watching the videos don’t think you can change out barrel kits without a professionals help. I have the .22, .25 and 30 kits for my impact and man do I love having it. I can also adjust the power for plinking at low speeds or high speeds for further distances and bigger game. I’ve seen Rick Shooyer 1721 make shots at 2-300 yards I’m talking tight groups with the wildcat mk 3, impact 2, and a crown. Again the impacts have all the bells and whistles the delta wolf has minus the built in chronograph and LCD screens. I have a pocket FX chrono I use when plinking to double check my tuning and it’s quick with the app. Not much work, doesn’t break often. I think waiting so long for the DW was a mistake because it’s been 3-4K is not gonna be worth the amount of bugs this gun is going to initially have. Maybe a better purchase in a year or two. Good for them though Daystate made a cool looking gun but wayyyyyy to expensive and way to difficult to change out and fine tune. Also that scope mount is like 4 inches too high I’m not a giraffe lol.

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That whole thing reads like you're trying really hard to convince yourself.

After watching some of the videos I kind of feel like you’re paying for just some really fancy cheap LCD screens. You can literally do most of what the Delta Wolf offers on a FX impact. It’s also cheaper and it seems to be more reliable seeing as the impact is older and more regularly updated. I just don’t think starting at $2900 without the bells and whistle’s is worth the Delta wolf, I think I’m just gonna stick with my impact. I also again after watching the videos don’t think you can change out barrel kits without a professionals help. I have the .22, .25 and 30 kits for my impact and man do I love having it. I can also adjust the power for plinking at low speeds or high speeds for further distances and bigger game. I’ve seen Rick Shooyer 1721 make shots at 2-300 yards I’m talking tight groups with the wildcat mk 3, impact 2, and a crown. Again the impacts have all the bells and whistles the delta wolf has minus the built in chronograph and LCD screens. I have a pocket FX chrono I use when plinking to double check my tuning and it’s quick with the app. Not much work, doesn’t break often. I think waiting so long for the DW was a mistake because it’s been 3-4K is not gonna be worth the amount of bugs this gun is going to initially have. Maybe a better purchase in a year or two. Good for them though Daystate made a cool looking gun but wayyyyyy to expensive and way to difficult to change out and fine tune. Also that scope mount is like 4 inches too high I’m not a giraffe lol.

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That whole thing reads like you're trying really hard to convince yourself.

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Possibly, I have been waiting and now watched the last 3 videos that were posted about it and to be honest wasn’t as impressed as I thought I was going to be. I really didn’t see the whole thing was worth the amount of money it’s going for. The guns I have, have a power wheel, regulator is super easy to adjust, power plenum... the knobs are possibly more reliable then an electronic screen.

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That kind of money is a hard decision for lots of us. 

As for analog adjustments ("knobs") being more reliable than the Daystate electronics........let me share a little story.

I spent some time with a Redwolf Standard .22 with the second generation board (think motherboard/brains/control unit) when they first came out.

I did baseline chrono testing at each of the 3 factory power levels. I also spent a large amount of time with a programmer, creating a unique power level that was just slightly under 20fpe to be field target legal. The large amount of time was mostly self-inflicted because I had a hard time deciding on which pellet I wanted to use at the sub 20fpe power level.

Anyway, after the gun settled in (break-in) it was amazing to see that if I returned the parameters (pulse lengths etc) back to where they started, the fps produced by the pellet would return to EXACTLY the same place. I could then change the parameters back to my FT setting and return the fps/fpe to the EXACT same place. I remember getting a ten shot average of an identical fps after going one direction, then the other, and then back. UNBELIEVABLY repeatable. This was somewhat cumbersome with the external programmer used for the Red Wolf but will be a built-in/on-board function of the Delta Wolf. 

From that little experience, when it comes to turning knobs and tuning by screws/hammer tension/etc versus the Daystate electronics, my money is on the Daystate electronics any day of the week. In fact, one of the serious YouTube reviewers (and it would probably take one not being paid) could do a VERY interesting comparison between the two rifles you mention. Something simple like documenting the steps required from the Delta Wolf vs the Impact to go up 100fps and then back down, with a specific pellet. Also interesting to include would be how close to the baseline fps each "tune" ended up at.

When trying to repeat an exact fps/fpe when tuning a gun or changing it's power level, and doing so reliably........in the context of adjustments made electronically versus through wrenching........close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. 

I agree with you Cole, it looks like Ghost really wants one but is trying to convince himself that his vinyl record is still better than the digital CDs. Or his points and plugs are better than a digital ignition...

I don’t knowI don’t know how you could possibly decide anything without seeing let alone shooting the actual gun. The Delta Wolf is so different to an impact. True, they share a style which is the style of the times, but they are very different to shoot and have a totally different balance and firing cycle. I expect when the Delta Wolf is available in the USA, for people to be even more polarised in their views. Not only because you get the usual tribalism for makes, but because they tackle the same problems is a different way. one analogue and the other digital! 

Maybe a little off topic, but here goes:

When the first electronic air rifle came out it got me to thinking back to how if they could ever design electronic valves in a car you could totally remove the camshaft from the equation. It would be like having an engine with an infinite number of camshafts. Mechanical moving mass is even a longer discussion.

The thing that fascinated me about an electronic air rifle is if the hammer/poppet ever becomes totally electronic with no springs involved. I have no idea if Daystate has gotten to that point. Imagine being able to fine tune not only the dwell time of the poppet opening to release air most efficiently, but the removal of poppet bounce where the valve is closed, open, closed, open in oscillation because of the spring/weight of the hammer.

For those 2 reasons alone I am glad someone is working on this technology.

My wish list is that once you get a battery inside a rifle they go back and re-explore CO2 as an option where you heat a regulated bottle to produce 1100 psi in the CO2 container combined with the efficiency produced from an electronic hammer/poppet. That removes the need for a scba tank and/or compressor for a sub 12 fpe rifle that works in all temperatures.

Now back to your regularly scheduled channel.

Yes I believe you are trying to convince your self, the impact doesn’t have issues, and is a better gun. You read much on here ? Only time will tell if the delta wolf will or not, Your assuming because the impact does the delta wolf will also, maybe. I have no interest in either but if I did, I would for sure look harder at the delta wolf then the impact. 5 year warranty, makes a lot of people feel better to Iam sure also.As far as a professional having to switch calibers out, In the video I seen, he says it simple to change caliber, barrel, two grub screws, and bolt pin. Takes about 5 minutes if I remember him saying. And you can have those other barrels already programmed into the gun. Seems easy, if that’s something you want to do to Seems like to me. 

Imagine being able to fine tune not only the dwell time of the poppet opening to release air most efficiently, but the removal of poppet bounce where the valve is closed, open, closed, open in oscillation because of the spring/weight of the hammer.

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Already been done by Daystate Slingshot

Both great guns!

Smart features are new but a ton of potential 

Centercut said:

I agree with you Cole, it looks like Ghost really wants one but is trying to convince himself that his vinyl record is still better than the digital CDs. Or his points and plugs are better than a digital ignition...

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Oh the good ol days!

Ok sorry to go off topic but isn’t the purpose of this sub more for customer relations type feedback or am I totally off base. Some threads in here perplex me ?

^^^. With that said, you may be completely correct OP. Let’s face it, when you reach the flagship guns the extra money isn’t chasing accuracy or modularity anymore. They all do that. The extra money, yes it’s a lot, gets you a different, possibly smoother more convenient shooter experience. I can imagine the electronic daystates provide just that. I have never shot one either but it seems logical.

Trucker3573 said:

Ok sorry to go off topic but isn’t the purpose of this sub more for customer relations type feedback or am I totally off base. Some threads in here perplex me ?

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you are correct. The guy seems to want to vent about a gun he has never seen o shot and manages to post in compleatly the wrong place! fortunatly he has been chalenged on this and most can see it for what it is.

I personally like both rifles, but my experience and overall knowledge of PCP rifles is so new and limited, I don't think I could justify buying either gun right now and get the most out of it. The Daystate would probably be the best choice for me right now because all of the tuning is done with the software. Kind of like the difference of plugs, points and condenser on my 1965 Mustang 289 and aftermarket electronic ignition. I still have the former/original type ignition because I like nostalgia, but the newer electronic ignition is a huge leap forward in performance. I do own a new FX Crown MkII with which to learn, but I also just bought an 11-year-old Daystate Air Wolf MCT with which to familiarize myself with electronic/software control. Both are high quality and alot of fun to shoot.

Both rifles excel in accuracy but also have their pros & cons.

I would give the Daystate Delta Wolf the edge on durability and build quality.

The FX Impact gets 1st prize for barrel flex and can be used as a fly fishing rod.