Daystate changing.

Where? How? When? Link? 

I would love to see more information from these companies. Lots of outdated info on websites etc. 

As I wreck-o-lec, Daystate was experimenting with different barrels with different grooving and twist rates.

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better. 

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better.

Click to expand...

I agree, however Im working on a .30 liner with a double carbon shroud, fully threaded in the reciever with a tension fastener on the muzzle instead of compression. We’ll see how it goes!

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better.

Click to expand...

I agree, however Im working on a .30 liner with a double carbon shroud, fully threaded in the reciever with a tension fastener on the muzzle instead of compression. We’ll see how it goes!

Click to expand...

Attaboy!!

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better.

Click to expand...

This old curmudgeon wholeheartedly agrees with you sir!

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better.

Click to expand...

I agree, however Im working on a .30 liner with a double carbon shroud, fully threaded in the reciever with a tension fastener on the muzzle instead of compression. We’ll see how it goes!

Click to expand...

Attaboy!!

Click to expand...

Liners are cheap, and Ive seen some nice 100 yard groups from some fx guns. Im going to attemp a switch barrel from .177-.30. Ive got nothing to loose really, but its going to be nice if it works! I just hope the 30 makes ok power, im limited to a .220 exhaust and 155 bar reg, but I do have a 200cc plenum

You may have seen dedicated slug barrel testing.

I hope thy aren't changing to sleeved barrels. I can't stand soda straw barrels. I REALLY like the stainless LW barrels that they have been using.

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better.

Click to expand...

Yes I agree, these long thin unsupported tubes are pretty fragile in my option. Some you can see barrel droop when brand new. A barrel and receiver like a powder burner would be great. 

You know guys I used to think exactly like most that you need heavy thick barrels? But in airguns you don’t have the extreme pressure and heat of a center fire rifle with very different harmonics and the idea of thick heavy barrels lets you shoot more consecutively accurate shots by pulling the heat from the bore and POI shift’s are lessoned I believe anyway?, now in airguns you have a heavy/slow mechanical vibration transmitted through the firing cycle (plus no implications of extreme heat!) so a tensioned stressed member multi layer vibration canceling barrel works very well “don’t count out those o-ring and o-ring-spacers incorporated into FX barrels” I think Daystate’s electronic platform is more suited for a solid heavier barrel because less vibrations are transmitted through the gun and barrel, now these are my opinions only! So don’t crucify me for my thoughts on this topic. also remember that aircraft/spacecraft among many other devices use this technology because of it’s strength vs. weight ratio! “ excluding laminates and composites“ 

It’s those “ soda straw” ( good analogy by above poster) barrels are going to get bent if you hunt hard with them. They are going to get bumped and banged a lot more then a guy sitting at a bench, waiting for the wind to stop. And I for one am not sitting at a bench shooting paper, I want ( need to take care of coon problem) to kill something, its the only reason I need an air rifle, and it can’t be “ wimply “ made or it will be useless. Now yes if I was only to walk from my house or truck to a bench set up shooting targets at what ever range, then packing it up and going home. These soda straw guns would be fine. It has nothing to do with pulling heat from the barrel, durability period. 

Elh0102 - "I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. "

You mean like AAA on their EVOL and Slayer?

Also, being somewhat near the Daystate development group, I haven't heard anything about a liner system barrel . Doesn't mean it isn't happening but they ARE using a shrouded barrel already , so maybe that's what you're seeing?

Bob

Daystate has no plans to change from the current high quality and expensive barrel specification to the soda straw thin liner style. 

The A.R.T group for Daystate have been rigorously testing new technologies for Barrels in each caliber and power levels. Slugs are also a part of the regime. 

Daystate has no plans to change from the current high quality and expensive barrel specification to the soda straw thin liner style. 

The A.R.T group for Daystate have been rigorously testing new technologies for Barrels in each caliber and power levels. Slugs are also a part of the regime.

Click to expand...

Excellent news, thanks for the confirmation!

I recently had to sell my Regal XL for financial reasons. In a year or so, if things improve, I'll be looking for another Daystate. I'd love another Regal but with a SIDELEVER! If this isn't available, maybe a Wolverine R. I was thoroughly impressed with my Regal in regards to fit, build quality, simplicity, and accuracy.

I and Hobbyman2007 kinda mixed the two. For mine, using a Brwonells liner, (same dimensions as the fx stx liner)), I fitted it with multiple cf tubes. Last one I did is over 3/4" in dia. with the thick tubes, and used the screw into breech shroud fitting solidly afixed to the barrel. this is in an Rainstorm II. So it is both held by the factory two set screws, which I changed to much larger helicoiled units, along with one more on top, and added two to each side.

so the barrel now screws into the action along with the set screws. This one is a TJ's standard liner, much thicker, and it is ultra accurate in .25. I will be adding cf tubes to the thin walled liner for test soon. If it works out, I may pick up an FX STX barrel and treat it the same.

So although thin, it will by no means be wimpy. Not flexible at all. Looking forward to the test. This system is now in a very similar manner now being used in high end Military sniper rifles. So it is a tested and true path to explore.

Next will be a .172 barrel project that Hobby and I are both attempting. Mine again in the Rainstorm, his in possibly the Impact, or possibly the WindyCity.

Knife

Did I see Daystate experimenting with barrel 'sleeves"?

Sure would like to see AA get away from all that heavy steel

Click to expand...

I hope not. That heavy steel is good stuff. Sleeves with liners are, IMO, appropriate only for damascus twist barrels in shotguns. I've owned one FX rifle with a liner system, and it supported my opinion. Air rifle barrel attachment systems are, in most cases only marginally stable, and compromising it further with a sleeve/liner system is asking for problems. I'm waiting for some maker to build an air rifle with a proper, threaded shank that screws into a robust receiver. Then you would have a rifle with no more POI changes, nor the need to handle it like a fragile piece of glass. But, that's just the opinion of an old fart who knows no better.

Click to expand...

Agree w/ elh0102. Some of the most expensive stuff is kind of flimsy looking. Might be ok on a bench or hunting out the window, but dragging it up & down mountains in rain, snow & getting banged against trees etc., not so sure about. Anything can hold up for a few months until you buy the next thing.