DAR gen 3

Well, they did put the pressure gauge in the proper place, and added a handle to the side lever cocking which is a nice (imho needed) addition, *adjustable trigger*..., but I can't see much else that was improved. 

Seems there is still no adjusting the regulator without voiding the warranty.

Also, seems they don't even offer a .177 version anymore. Only .22 and .25

Oh, and it is now $399... LOL! Customer service sucks.

https://www.dynamicairrifles.com/
 

Thanks.

But it still looks like the DAR is a take it as it comes airgun. Not much for really being adjustable, especially if you want lower power than it comes adjusted for *stock*.

It still voids the warranty if you NEED to adjust the regulator afaik.

And my opinion of their customer service is not so good. The one called "Joe" was never available when I called... when I actually got through to anyone. And when I did get through, they were much less than helpful. And "Joe" never called me back as was promised by the other "customer service" people.

And that is a shame as the DAR is a good looking airgun. I really like the wood stock, but that doesn't mean much when the gun doesn't do what you need it to do.

Would I recommend a DAR to anyone?

In a word... NO. Or HELL no.

Just for clarity, I own a DAR .177 Gen 2
 

Thanks.

But it still looks like the DAR is a take it as it comes airgun. Not much for really being adjustable, especially if you want lower power than it comes adjusted for *stock*.

It still voids the warranty if you NEED to adjust the regulator afaik.

And my opinion of their customer service is not so good. The one called "Joe" was never available when I called... when I actually got through to anyone. And when I did get through, they were much less than helpful. And "Joe" never called me back as was promised by the other "customer service" people.

And that is a shame as the DAR is a good looking airgun. I really like the wood stock, but that doesn't mean much when the gun doesn't do what you need it to do.

Would I recommend a DAR to anyone?

In a word... NO. Or HELL no.

Just for clarity, I own a DAR .177 Gen 2

Then you should know that the hammer spring is right there in the back and the reg is easily accessible after airing it down. 5 minutes max to make a change then a few adjustments to the hammer spring and your golden. 

I get Joe every time I call, sorry for the bad luck but I do recommend the DAR, I have 5 of them right now and am VERY impressed with the G3 guns!
 

Thanks.

But it still looks like the DAR is a take it as it comes airgun. Not much for really being adjustable, especially if you want lower power than it comes adjusted for *stock*.

It still voids the warranty if you NEED to adjust the regulator afaik.

And my opinion of their customer service is not so good. The one called "Joe" was never available when I called... when I actually got through to anyone. And when I did get through, they were much less than helpful. And "Joe" never called me back as was promised by the other "customer service" people.

And that is a shame as the DAR is a good looking airgun. I really like the wood stock, but that doesn't mean much when the gun doesn't do what you need it to do.

Would I recommend a DAR to anyone?

In a word... NO. Or HELL no.

Just for clarity, I own a DAR .177 Gen 2

Then you should know that the hammer spring is right there in the back and the reg is easily accessible after airing it down. 5 minutes max to make a change then a few adjustments to the hammer spring and your golden. 

I get Joe every time I call, sorry for the bad luck but I do recommend the DAR, I have 5 of them right now and am VERY impressed with the G3 guns!

Is this a paid endorsement? LOL!

In order to adjust the reg, you have to disassemble the rifle, which voids the warranty.

The hammer spring adjustment is limited by the stock itself and you have to remove the stock to simply adjust the hammer spring. You can only adjust it so far before the stock limits further movement and/or keeps you from being able to reassembling the rifle.

The baffles are easily misaligned. Even when wrapped with tape to keep alignment, they can be off enough to cause clipping.

Adjusting the hammer spring for lower fps does NOT work well if you DON'T lower the reg pressure.

Hammer spring may need to be replaced/modified if you lower the reg pressure for ~12fpe.

Just a few of the things folks need to know before buying a DAR.

Oh, and as far as customer service from DAR goes. I gave up. Never got to talk to "Joe" after calling numerous times and being promised that he would "call me back" more than once.

So, buyer beware. If this happened to me, there is a good chance you will have the same experience. BTW, this is the same company that sells the Aim Sports Alpha 6 scopes that have decent glass, but nothing else.




 
If you want to retune a gun to better suit your needs, do it.

The only reason not to do it is for a legitimate concern that you may not be successful or might damage something in the process, in which case it is perfectly reasonable for the manufacturer to be off the hook. Otherwise there is no way for anyone to know or to care that you've been into it.
 
If you want to retune a gun to better suit your needs, do it.

The only reason not to do it is for a legitimate concern that you may not be successful or might damage something in the process, in which case it is perfectly reasonable for the manufacturer to be off the hook. Otherwise there is no way for anyone to know or to care that you've been into it.

Agreed. Your experience with the DAR has been much better than mine, regarding accuracy and customer service . Therefor, I can NOT recommend this airgun to anyone.

Especially now that they dropped the .177 and upped the price to $400. (I bought my .177 for $269 and the higher caliber(s) (.22, .25?) were only $299 at the time)

If $400 is now the *economy* price range for a low end PCP, then there are better ways to spend your money on an airgun, even if it does cost a little more than that.

Even Crosman/Benjamin upped their price for the Fortitude to nearly $425 for a gun that is NOT worthy of that price. Maybe why DAR upped their price?

IMHO, the improvements made in the Gen3 versions are not enough to warrant a 33% price increase in price and things like having a manometer where you don't have to look down the barrel to view it that should have been in Gen 1, let alone Gen 2 definitely don't qualify as reason for that kind of price increase.

If they had added a reg gauge and external regulator adjustment, then I might truly consider buying another, even with the price increase. But what they did "upgrade" only comes down to things that should have been there in Gen1 if they were serious in the first place. (am I being harsh? lol!)

But after owning both a DAR .177 Gen2 and an Aim Sports Alpha 6 scope, I think I am done with this company.

Oh well... I did buy a .177 Gen2... LOL! Mostly because of YOUR glowing reviews. And the price, of course ($269) LOL!

I also bought the Aim Sports Alpha 6 4.5-27 scope because of another person who touted it as the best scope out there for the money.

Well, the Alpha does work better than the DAR. At least the glass is clear. Just don't try to click for range and clarity is in the eye of the beholder.



JMHO Everyone's mileage will vary. (smile)
 
Is this a paid endorsement? LOL!

In order to adjust the reg, you have to disassemble the rifle, which voids the warranty.

The hammer spring adjustment is limited by the stock itself and you have to remove the stock to simply adjust the hammer spring. You can only adjust it so far before the stock limits further movement and/or keeps you from being able to reassembling the rifle.

The baffles are easily misaligned. Even when wrapped with tape to keep alignment, they can be off enough to cause clipping.

Adjusting the hammer spring for lower fps does NOT work well if you DON'T lower the reg pressure.

Hammer spring may need to be replaced/modified if you lower the reg pressure for ~12fpe.

Just a few of the things folks need to know before buying a DAR.

Oh, and as far as customer service from DAR goes. I gave up. Never got to talk to "Joe" after calling numerous times and being promised that he would "call me back" more than once.

So, buyer beware. If this happened to me, there is a good chance you will have the same experience. BTW, this is the same company that sells the Aim Sports Alpha 6 scopes that have decent glass, but nothing else.


Thanks.

But it still looks like the DAR is a take it as it comes airgun. Not much for really being adjustable, especially if you want lower power than it comes adjusted for *stock*.

It still voids the warranty if you NEED to adjust the regulator afaik.

And my opinion of their customer service is not so good. The one called "Joe" was never available when I called... when I actually got through to anyone. And when I did get through, they were much less than helpful. And "Joe" never called me back as was promised by the other "customer service" people.

And that is a shame as the DAR is a good looking airgun. I really like the wood stock, but that doesn't mean much when the gun doesn't do what you need it to do.

Would I recommend a DAR to anyone?

In a word... NO. Or HELL no.

Just for clarity, I own a DAR .177 Gen 2

Then you should know that the hammer spring is right there in the back and the reg is easily accessible after airing it down. 5 minutes max to make a change then a few adjustments to the hammer spring and your golden. 

I get Joe every time I call, sorry for the bad luck but I do recommend the DAR, I have 5 of them right now and am VERY impressed with the G3 guns!

Is this a paid endorsement? LOL!

In order to adjust the reg, you have to disassemble the rifle, which voids the warranty.

The hammer spring adjustment is limited by the stock itself and you have to remove the stock to simply adjust the hammer spring. You can only adjust it so far before the stock limits further movement and/or keeps you from being able to reassembling the rifle.

The baffles are easily misaligned. Even when wrapped with tape to keep alignment, they can be off enough to cause clipping.

Adjusting the hammer spring for lower fps does NOT work well if you DON'T lower the reg pressure.

Hammer spring may need to be replaced/modified if you lower the reg pressure for ~12fpe.

Just a few of the things folks need to know before buying a DAR.

Oh, and as far as customer service from DAR goes. I gave up. Never got to talk to "Joe" after calling numerous times and being promised that he would "call me back" more than once.

So, buyer beware. If this happened to me, there is a good chance you will have the same experience. BTW, this is the same company that sells the Aim Sports Alpha 6 scopes that have decent glass, but nothing else.




Just to be fair, all hammer springs are limited in their travel, the DAR is no different in that respect. Also, if you lower the hammer spring tension within the the range allowed by the stock interference, there is no need to adjust the regulator, its just a few FPS but can help tune the harmonics.

Yes, if the baffles are put in backwards or the shroud is bent, clipping can occur. Also, if the barrel band is not aligned properly by the owner or the barrel is not attached properly, clipping can occur. The baffles are cup-set and link together so there is no chance of misalignment, there has to be another issue. I had clipping on my .177 that threw my pellets all over the place but I got some parts from a fellow airgunner and swapped out the shroud and end cap, the issue went away. The baffles are still the same.

Sorry you had a bad experience, I too returned a D2 in .22 and got a better one sent to me. The .177 I got two replacement barrels for it and finally got one to shoot straight. I just kept working the problem until I came up with a good shooting gun. 

I have had no issues with customer service at all, Joe is fantastic to speak with and is always very helpful. 
 
Oh, and it is now $399… LOL! Customer service sucks.



Given how well the Gen 3 is selling, the negatives haven't dampened the hype.


How well are they selling? Do you have insider information on that?

In any case, I outlined the problems with the DAR .177 I own. So others can take it for what it is worth. My opinion based on owning it.

Others, including you, have the right to disagree with me. However, I wish I had read a post like mine before I bought mine.

YMMV
 
Oh, and it is now $399… LOL! Customer service sucks.



Given how well the Gen 3 is selling, the negatives haven't dampened the hype.


How well are they selling? Do you have insider information on that?

In any case, I outlined the problems with the DAR .177 I own. So others can take it for what it is worth. My opinion based on owning it.

Others, including you, have the right to disagree with me. However, I wish I had read a post like mine before I bought mine.

YMMV

My two new D3's are wonderful! They both had 1300 psi in them when they arrived, they both shoot very well and my completely unaltered D3 in .25 just got me a seat at the NUAH club with a 47/50 with a 2 MOA group using JSB Kings 25.39gr. The .22 laid down a 24 shot card this afternoon with 200/200 and 19 X. That matches my best target with a .22. 

I also have a .177 D2 that took a lot of work to get to shoot alright. No, the .177's are not a good gun, that's why they discontinued them. You should have sent your .177 back right away and moved on to find joy in airgunning. There are SO many high end guns that get returned due to issues, the DAR is not exempt but they did improve the G3 to the point where it will be top dog unless the JTS Airacuda MAX knocks it off it's perch.

They are nearly identical in many ways, both made by Xisico in the same factory, very few parts are different and I will buy both of them when they come out. 

Buy a D3, return it if you dont love it. Enough said. 
 
Oh, and it is now $399… LOL! Customer service sucks.



Given how well the Gen 3 is selling, the negatives haven't dampened the hype.


How well are they selling? Do you have insider information on that?

In any case, I outlined the problems with the DAR .177 I own. So others can take it for what it is worth. My opinion based on owning it.

Others, including you, have the right to disagree with me. However, I wish I had read a post like mine before I bought mine.

YMMV

My two new D3's are wonderful! They both had 1300 psi in them when they arrived, they both shoot very well and my completely unaltered D3 in .25 just got me a seat at the NUAH club with a 47/50 with a 2 MOA group using JSB Kings 25.39gr. The .22 laid down a 24 shot card this afternoon with 200/200 and 19 X. That matches my best target with a .22. 

I also have a .177 D2 that took a lot of work to get to shoot alright. No, the .177's are not a good gun, that's why they discontinued them. You should have sent your .177 back right away and moved on to find joy in airgunning. There are SO many high end guns that get returned due to issues, the DAR is not exempt but they did improve the G3 to the point where it will be top dog unless the JTS Airacuda MAX knocks it off it's perch.

They are nearly identical in many ways, both made by Xisico in the same factory, very few parts are different and I will buy both of them when they come out. 

Buy a D3, return it if you dont love it. Enough said.

I don't need a .22 or .25 airgun and even if I did, it would never be another DAR.

I have already stated what I find to be problems with the DAR platform and that did not change with the G3 version.

It is a "take it as it comes" airgun with minimal adjustment for fpe unless you want to void the warranty and now at $400, it is simply isn't competitive for what it is, IMHO.

And that is a shame because it could be a good platform for lots of people. However, the problems I have already outlined make it a take as it is or don't bother at all gun.

JMHO

BTW, you didn't answer my question.

How well are they selling? Do you have insider information on that?

I am happy you like yours. Just don't piss on me and tell me it is raining. (chuckle)
 
It is a "take it as it comes" airgun with minimal adjustment for fpe unless you want to void the warranty

Again, it is no more a “take it as it comes” airgun than vast swaths of airguns on the market. Modify it and break something, and the manufacturer will rightly decline to cover the cost. Modify it successfully and no one will know or care that you worked on it.

and now at $400, it is simply isn't competitive for what it is, IMHO.

Unfortunately the days of a $300 regulated, wood-stocked, shrouded, magazine-fed sidelever are behind us. The prices of everything are up. The Avenger is $430. The upcoming Airacuda Max is the same. Even the plastic-stocked contenders are coming in at $350 and higher. I’m not happy about it either but this is the new normal.
 
Oh, and it is now $399… LOL! Customer service sucks.



Given how well the Gen 3 is selling, the negatives haven't dampened the hype.


How well are they selling? Do you have insider information on that?

In any case, I outlined the problems with the DAR .177 I own. So others can take it for what it is worth. My opinion based on owning it.

Others, including you, have the right to disagree with me. However, I wish I had read a post like mine before I bought mine.

YMMV

My two new D3's are wonderful! They both had 1300 psi in them when they arrived, they both shoot very well and my completely unaltered D3 in .25 just got me a seat at the NUAH club with a 47/50 with a 2 MOA group using JSB Kings 25.39gr. The .22 laid down a 24 shot card this afternoon with 200/200 and 19 X. That matches my best target with a .22. 

I also have a .177 D2 that took a lot of work to get to shoot alright. No, the .177's are not a good gun, that's why they discontinued them. You should have sent your .177 back right away and moved on to find joy in airgunning. There are SO many high end guns that get returned due to issues, the DAR is not exempt but they did improve the G3 to the point where it will be top dog unless the JTS Airacuda MAX knocks it off it's perch.

They are nearly identical in many ways, both made by Xisico in the same factory, very few parts are different and I will buy both of them when they come out. 

Buy a D3, return it if you dont love it. Enough said.

I don't need a .22 or .25 airgun and even if I did, it would never be another DAR.

I have already stated what I find to be problems with the DAR platform and that did not change with the G3 version.

It is a "take it as it comes" airgun with minimal adjustment for fpe unless you want to void the warranty and now at $400, it is simply isn't competitive for what it is, IMHO.

And that is a shame because it could be a good platform for lots of people. However, the problems I have already outlined make it a take as it is or don't bother at all gun.

JMHO

BTW, you didn't answer my question.

How well are they selling? Do you have insider information on that?

I am happy you like yours. Just don't piss on me and tell me it is raining. (chuckle)

Sorry but you'll have to try harder to pull me into your drama, the regulator is just as accessible as many and after 90 days, it's your anyway so who cares? Open it up, change it and put it back together. Not rocket-surgery... (chuckle)

They are selling well, dont care about your demands, I'm shooting a beautifully made gun, not calling up Joe to ask numbers of units sold. (chuckle)

The .25 is amazing! 2 MOA at 100 yards with a light crosswind with only 50 pellets through it, simply amazing! 

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I wonder how much better it will be after I get another JB session through the barrel and get it fully seasoned? $400? Oh hell yes! 

Benjamin Marauders cost almost $500 and still have the antiquated rear bolt. max FPE stock is 45 while I am shooting a stock D3 with 70 FPE. (chuckle)

I for one and loving the new platform, the ease of trigger work, ease of tethering, the very clean and accurate barrels right out of the box. I just wish they had a thumbhole stock.

Oh! Lookie what I found? (chuckle) Seems the Sentry turd I got was good for something after all! (chuckle)

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Well I'll be! I just opened the bag with the Owners Manual and it states, "Here at Dynamic Air Rifle we stand by our product with a 1-year warranty." "You must ship the Air Rifle to Dynamic Air Rifle at your own cost, the RMA number must be clearly written on the outside of the package."

That's much better than the old 90 day on the G2! 
 
Well I'll be! I just opened the bag with the Owners Manual and it states, "Here at Dynamic Air Rifle we stand by our product with a 1-year warranty." "You must ship the Air Rifle to Dynamic Air Rifle at your own cost, the RMA number must be clearly written on the outside of the package."

That's much better than the old 90 day on the G2!

Did the Gen 2 manual say here at DAR we are proud to offer a 90 day warranty?
 
I am having some issues with accuracy in my DAR in.22, I sent an email to Customer Service asking for a barrel exchange and I got this is return:

Dear David,
There have been several internal changes with personnel and company policy.
If there is a problem with your new Gen 3 rifle, please send it back in under warranty (1 year) so that we may repair or replace it.
Thank you

Sam Sze
Dynamic Air Rifles
www.dynamicairrifles.com
 
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