Customized my Impact X.
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IMHO, one of the best kept secrets in airguning. The HHA Optimizer. Instead of spinning turrets or using holdovers you turn the wheel to whatever yardage you're shooting and it tilts the scope to the given yardages.
I've used it for years and it is unbelievably repeatable and can adjust well past 200 yards with pellets. With slugs I would think well past 300.
You just start with the blank tape on the wheel and make your own marks at any or all of the yardages you shoot. Right now I have marks out to 150 with 18grn JSBs. When I switch to slugs I'll either replace the tape or make red marks for the slug yardages.
I've used it for years and it is unbelievably repeatable and can adjust well past 200 yards with pellets. With slugs I would think well past 300.
You just start with the blank tape on the wheel and make your own marks at any or all of the yardages you shoot. Right now I have marks out to 150 with 18grn JSBs. When I switch to slugs I'll either replace the tape or make red marks for the slug yardages.
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As you can see with 18grn JSBs 150 yards only uses about 1/4 of the wheel. So these things can really reach out there.
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Should only be two for our application. One for fire arms that has the wheel on the left to clear bolt actions and the one for crossbows. You want the one for crossbows. The firearm version doesn't have near the range and is discontinued. The rest are probably the ones for compound bows.
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You're welcome. The hardest part is just taking the time to shoot at all the yardages and marking the wheel. After that it's just range, dial, shoot. No matter how slow or fast.
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Impact looks great! I've never heard of the HHA Optimizer but it sounds interesting enough. You say it tilts the scope for a given yardage. How does it tilt the scope exactly? Do you need different scope rings? Thanks
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Nice lookin' X ya got there Swish!
And no way.. It's cool to see that you have an HHA Optimizer Speed Dial combo, I've been interested in those forever!
Years ago, I almost pulled the trigger on one for my rimfire .22s. Yeah, they discontinued the Horizon, but, should still have some here:
https://www.bobwards.com/hha-sports-optimizer-horizon-firearm-sight-mount-103230?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=2455&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=383633353539&gclid=Cj0KEQjwuJu9BRDP_-HN9eXs1_UBEiQAlfW39jw3LrHL-oU9V1tCCgCdli2FnbSFBWM_ccZUXEclwc4aAngM8P8HAQ#details
I almost grabbed one from there last year, but ended up moving a few times to places where I couldn't do any shooting, so held off again..
Now that I'm settled in where I can [hopefully] get back out and do some shooting, I was probably going to grab one..
But now this thread popped up..
I saw these other two versions also:
X-bow / Round-knob version:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HHA-Sports-Optimizer-Speed-Dial-Crossbow-Sight-System-OL-SD-04002-/173895159079?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
And..
X-bow / Version like yours:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HHA-Optimizer-Lite-Speed-Dial-Crossbow-Sight-OL-SD/192122841910?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Df0844f51bba044e9881edd14fc5acaf0%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D20%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D173895159079%26itm%3D192122841910&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
I figured if I got the rifle version, I'd just transfer it from my .22s to my PCP rifles,
but, if your saying that the x-bow versions work better for the PCPs, maybe I'll just opt to go that route instead..
I shoot those way more than I get to shoot my rimfires..
Sam -
And no way.. It's cool to see that you have an HHA Optimizer Speed Dial combo, I've been interested in those forever!
Years ago, I almost pulled the trigger on one for my rimfire .22s. Yeah, they discontinued the Horizon, but, should still have some here:
https://www.bobwards.com/hha-sports-optimizer-horizon-firearm-sight-mount-103230?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=2455&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=383633353539&gclid=Cj0KEQjwuJu9BRDP_-HN9eXs1_UBEiQAlfW39jw3LrHL-oU9V1tCCgCdli2FnbSFBWM_ccZUXEclwc4aAngM8P8HAQ#details
I almost grabbed one from there last year, but ended up moving a few times to places where I couldn't do any shooting, so held off again..
Now that I'm settled in where I can [hopefully] get back out and do some shooting, I was probably going to grab one..
But now this thread popped up..
I saw these other two versions also:
X-bow / Round-knob version:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HHA-Sports-Optimizer-Speed-Dial-Crossbow-Sight-System-OL-SD-04002-/173895159079?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
And..
X-bow / Version like yours:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HHA-Optimizer-Lite-Speed-Dial-Crossbow-Sight-OL-SD/192122841910?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Df0844f51bba044e9881edd14fc5acaf0%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D20%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D173895159079%26itm%3D192122841910&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
I figured if I got the rifle version, I'd just transfer it from my .22s to my PCP rifles,
but, if your saying that the x-bow versions work better for the PCPs, maybe I'll just opt to go that route instead..
I shoot those way more than I get to shoot my rimfires..
Sam -
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Sam, those two Optimizers are basically the same. I think I've got the latest version and the other is the original.
All I can say is they are not a gimmick. I've got two other buddies using them now on PCPs. We can go out and shoot ground squirrels all day at almost any and all ranges from under 50 to over 200 yards. Weekend after weekend and it always repeats exactly the same.
The crossbows they were designed for have a good amount of recoil, way more than airguns and the Optimizer has a lifetime warranty. I also couldn't find a bad review on them. I've had mine for a couple years and I shoot quite a bit and never had a single problem.
Mantech30, I made the mono pod. If you drill an undersized hole in the butt pad you can use a long 1/4-20 bolt and it will thread in without tapping it. The friction from the tight fit keeps it rock solid yet adjusts easily. No need for threaded inserts or anything like that like I had planned on doing.
All I can say is they are not a gimmick. I've got two other buddies using them now on PCPs. We can go out and shoot ground squirrels all day at almost any and all ranges from under 50 to over 200 yards. Weekend after weekend and it always repeats exactly the same.
The crossbows they were designed for have a good amount of recoil, way more than airguns and the Optimizer has a lifetime warranty. I also couldn't find a bad review on them. I've had mine for a couple years and I shoot quite a bit and never had a single problem.
Mantech30, I made the mono pod. If you drill an undersized hole in the butt pad you can use a long 1/4-20 bolt and it will thread in without tapping it. The friction from the tight fit keeps it rock solid yet adjusts easily. No need for threaded inserts or anything like that like I had planned on doing.
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Thanks, the Optimizer has a pivot pin twards the front and the wheel has a cam effect on the back so it raises and lowers the scope from the rear. It is very solid and you can use any picatinny rings you want.
To me a big plus is not having to pay more for a scope with a fancy reticle for hold overs. I use a simple mildot reticle just so I can use the windage dots since I'm always holding zero. And my my view isn't cluttered up by all the Xmas tree reticle. Not to mention you run your scope at any power it it's still dead on.
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the HHA been for a while (few topics in AGN talking about it) I read about it a while ago, and it suppose a benefit tilting instead of using turrets on the scope due the view angle. There is another brand more expensive (I do not recall the name) and they show an image of the benefit.
Not 100% sure of the benefit vs using turrets for dial. (maybe in cheaper scopes?). is only up and down right? not windage?
BTW, nice looking impact! the butpad monopod, is from?
Not 100% sure of the benefit vs using turrets for dial. (maybe in cheaper scopes?). is only up and down right? not windage?
BTW, nice looking impact! the butpad monopod, is from?
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Staying optically centered is one of the reasons I would consider it better than spinning turrets. Another would be the wear on the scope. Also easier to read yardage on the larger wheel than a small turret. And the range isn't even comparable.
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Swish, thanks for the info!
It's great to hear that you and your buddies have had such great luck with these!
I definitely think that I'll be snagging one of them sooner than later.
Hey, just out of curiosity.. *Since you [and others] keep mentioning "20 yards" for the short-distance...
When I'm at home, I shoot indoors with a distance of exactly 10 meters..
My scopes work awesome from about 8 meters +, but what I initially ran into was:
On a few of my rifles, the pic rails have zero moa, so when the scopes were mounted, they were useless..
I'd run out of elevation clicks. The fix was to go with FX No Limit adjustable rings, and how everything works flawlessly..
The only issue I have is - all of my scopes sit too high for me now [until' I fab some higher cheek-pieces]
The big question: Do you know if it'd be possible to use the Optimizer at a shorter distance? 10 meters?
Man, if I could guarantee that [so I could leave it mounted and still be able to shoot indoors too] that'd be Killer!
If not, I think I'd just have to designate a gun or 2 to use them for longer range only..
Thanks again!
Sam -
It's great to hear that you and your buddies have had such great luck with these!
I definitely think that I'll be snagging one of them sooner than later.
Hey, just out of curiosity.. *Since you [and others] keep mentioning "20 yards" for the short-distance...
When I'm at home, I shoot indoors with a distance of exactly 10 meters..
My scopes work awesome from about 8 meters +, but what I initially ran into was:
On a few of my rifles, the pic rails have zero moa, so when the scopes were mounted, they were useless..
I'd run out of elevation clicks. The fix was to go with FX No Limit adjustable rings, and how everything works flawlessly..
The only issue I have is - all of my scopes sit too high for me now [until' I fab some higher cheek-pieces]
The big question: Do you know if it'd be possible to use the Optimizer at a shorter distance? 10 meters?
Man, if I could guarantee that [so I could leave it mounted and still be able to shoot indoors too] that'd be Killer!
If not, I think I'd just have to designate a gun or 2 to use them for longer range only..
Thanks again!
Sam -
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I'm pretty sure it's not a problem at all. I personally never shoot that close but I believe one of my buddies has his set up for close range too.
It's really only a matter of making your yardage marks for the ranges you shoot.
Eventually I plan on having zero to 300+ in 10 to 5 yard increments with .22 slugs.
It's really only a matter of making your yardage marks for the ranges you shoot.
Eventually I plan on having zero to 300+ in 10 to 5 yard increments with .22 slugs.
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Well if that's the case, then you just re-lit the fire under my @$$ to grab one - and maybe even a few [after that]
When something 'works for me', I like to get multiples of it to outfit multiple rifles all the same way.. This would be fantastic.
Man, I love the idea of going from zero to 300+ yards in such small increments - Especially with .22 slugs.
.22 cal has been my go-to / favorite round for over 20 years.. Air rifles and rimfires..
Since cal came up - Have you shot an Impact in .25 cal by chance?
I've been holding out on getting one for way too many years and still can't decide on .22 or .25, or just get both cal bbl kits..
Hey, thanks again for the great info!
Sam -
When something 'works for me', I like to get multiples of it to outfit multiple rifles all the same way.. This would be fantastic.
Man, I love the idea of going from zero to 300+ yards in such small increments - Especially with .22 slugs.
.22 cal has been my go-to / favorite round for over 20 years.. Air rifles and rimfires..
Since cal came up - Have you shot an Impact in .25 cal by chance?
I've been holding out on getting one for way too many years and still can't decide on .22 or .25, or just get both cal bbl kits..
Hey, thanks again for the great info!
Sam -
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I haven't shot a .25 Impact yet. I did have a .25 Wildcat for a while. I shot it at 200+yards a lot with the Optimizer. I'm looking forward to testing the .22 slugs next my buddy's .25 slugs. We'll be doing shot for shot at the same time in windy conditions at long range and so on to see what gets pushed where.
What i really enjoy about the Optimizer is you could be shooting a group at 20 yards, then spot a squirrel at 150. Simply range the squirrel, turn wheel to 150, send it, then turn the wheel back to 20 and then finish your group. That fast and that easy.
What i really enjoy about the Optimizer is you could be shooting a group at 20 yards, then spot a squirrel at 150. Simply range the squirrel, turn wheel to 150, send it, then turn the wheel back to 20 and then finish your group. That fast and that easy.
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