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    Tinbuster
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    Some guns seem to really like the crosman premier 14.3 grain .22 in the brown box.  However I can’t seem to find them anywhere, I think they are discontinued.  Does Anybody know what If any Crossman 14.3,s in a tin are the same?  Maybe CPHP or the premier domed ultra magnums?  

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    RAMJET66
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    Not sure if the same, lots of  claims of the boxed ones are better,, I cant say, never had boxed myself, I want some also , at the right price ..

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    nervoustrig
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    You’re right, Crosman retired them.  They were overpriced compared to superior pellets from JSB and H&N.

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    ranedouglas
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    …….they were just a little over-priced…..if they were under $20 , they'd never be able to keep up with demand.  the premiers out perform softer jsb types in most all of my piston air rifles.  while the jsb's are still accurate, they lose velocity.  but in my co2, pcp, and pumpers – yes – jsb hands down the best.            ………..crosman should bring back the .20 premiers , also….     piston guns like my cometa , diana , bsa , np or np2 benji or crosman ,  they function best with sized premiers – even better than h&n ftt types.     

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    farrahUSMC
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    I love CPHP with my gauntlet  dime size hole 10 shots at 25-30 yrds   Iused JSB and H&N too the result are the same but for the price it's nothing but CPHP in my Gauntlet.  Now for my other PCP they prefer JSB well the Diana Outlaw does anyway. my hatsan they don't discriminate the AT44 and BullBoss love them all

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    Tinbuster
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    Thanks for all the replies.  According to Steve at AEAC the crossman premiers did really well in the Gamo Urban.  I just picked one up and am trying to acquire what it likes to eat.

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     I've tried all the Crosman 14.3g pellets. In springers, pumpers, and pcp.The hollow points work ok at close range, but get out to 35-40> yards and their flight falls apart fast. The destroyers and piranha do the same except at even closer range.

    Still have half a brown box of crosman premier, I see very little difference from them to the new dome pellet. The new die at Crosman in NY makes the Crosman Premier Domed Ultra Magnum14.3, great pellets that shoot great in all my guns. And have devastating effect @ 800fps> to small fur bearers. At 985fps in my Mrod they blow the head right off a rat. I see absolutely no need for hollow points to create more damage as these pellets do just fine with a dome and are deadly accurate making a small dime size ragged hole with a full 10 pellet Mrod mag at 50 yards.The JSB 18.1g and 15.89g don't do any better in my Mrod at 50 yards but cost a lot more. And the CPDUM are 50fps faster then any other 14.3g pellet out of my Mrod, retaining 800>fps at 30yards. Just got some JSB 23.5 and are trying them out….

    Ya got to stop and think, what do I need a pellet to do..? For me its pesting around my lake front property at under 50 yards most of the time. The cheap CPDUM do the job at a very reasonable cost and they match the accuracy of much more expensive pellets at the distances I need. What would be the reason to spend 3 times as much on a pellet that more or less does the same job..?

    https://hardairmagazine.com/ballistic-coefficients/

     

    CPDUM @ 52yards

     

    JMO

     

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    TiredRooster
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    I have found that the Crossman Premier HP's 14.3g work very accurately in my D34. I seem to get consistent good groups with them out to 35 yards for sure. After that, I really couldn't tell you about grouping. But they will hit a squirrel sized target repeatedly at 40 yards. I'm very happy about this, because they are easily had at the local Walmart and are pretty cheap. I buy two 500 count tins at a time when ever I'm in there. The Pointed and the Domed Ultra Magnums, I have tried also. They group like a shotgun with both my Diana 34s. This is just one sample of springers though…….every rifle is different.

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    nervoustrig
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    As I recall, the brown box .22 were the same price as the .177 which was about $30.  On sale, around $25.  That's reasonable for a box of 1250 in .177, provided they are in fact a quality single-die pellet, but it's ridiculous for a box of 625 in .22.  Especially considering the way the quality has declined in recent years.

    Interestingly enough, the boxed 10.5gr heavies have been coming down in price for the last couple of years on Amazon.  Still over $30 on Pyramyd today but only $18 on Amazon with free Prime shipping.  But don't get too excited, their quality is fine for plinking but forget precision shooting.  Back in the 2012-2013 time frame, it was fairly common for even the 500ct tins to produce on average 3/8" to 1/2" CTC groups at 25 yards and some batches would flirt with MoA.  That prompted me to try some of the boxed heavies (Jan 2014).  Unfortunately they had numerous molding defects and head sizes ranging from 4.45mm to 4.52mm.  Groups were disappointing–not as bad as one would expect from looking at them–but inferior to the tinned pellets from just a year earlier.  Here's a writeup with photos and groups: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=59397

    Fast forward to just a couple of months ago.  The low price enticed me to try them again.  Unfortunately it was more of the same.  Groups at 25 yards came in at 3/4" to 1" across several rifles.  Even the LW barrel would not group them.

    https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150013.msg1534357#msg1534357

    If you scroll up in that same thread, you can see a little experiment done with some .22 CPHPs.  I was visiting my uncle and he had an old tin from 2013.  I was really interested in comparing them to some of the recent crop so he let me take them home.

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    they worked we[[, in all 5 of my P-Rod's when I was shooting them. I have 3  that are hot rodded,& 2 that are stock , 2 have Lw barrels,  I was shooting 30 yds  dime sized stickers, they only shoot ok on the ZBROIA's when getting low on air, cphp, I can not buy the domes in my area..

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     I can not buy the domes in my area..

    Not in my area either. I've gotten them from walmart.com, added to 4 gal of 5-40 mobil1 order for free shipping,Gotta luv the 6.7PS engine with 13qts of oil. Pellets were $6.35 per 500ct tin end of last Oct..

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    Tinbuster

    Some guns seem to really like the crosman premier 14.3 grain .22 in the brown box.  However I can’t seem to find them anywhere, I think they are discontinued.  Does Anybody know what If any Crossman 14.3,s in a tin are the same?  Maybe CPHP or the premier domed ultra magnums?  

    Hey Tinbuster

    I have one unopened brown box of 14.3 grain 22 cal. Premiers that I don't need.

    PM me if you're interested.

    Matt

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    bandg
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    I have a Gladius .22 that shoots the CPHP pellets in the 500 count cans great out to 50 yards.  They were so good that every time I go into a Walmart I buy what they have in stock.  Still $6.80 or so per can in my area.

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    DirtyDovi
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    I'm also a big fan of Crosman Premier pellets..  [.22 cal Hollow Points]
    Every time I'm forced to go to WallyWorld, I make it a point to grab a tin of 500. 
    They're around $7.00 and they shoot just as well if not better than the JSBs I use.
    I have 3 rifles now that absolutely Love them on low power:
    Nova Freedom,  Kral Puncher Breaker,  Hatsan Gladius.
    I can put pellet on/in pellet over and over and over again using them.

    I can't say the same for the last 3 tins of JSBs that I have/had here..
    *Bent / deformed / chipped skirts,  differing head dia and weights..  *sigh*

    The Crosman pellets have been consistently cleaner, more uniform, 
    and most importantly Cheaper & More Accurate.

    Here's what the tin looks like:

    Sam –

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    acs
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    Sam –

     

     

    If you like those HP, you'll probably love these Domes…

     

     

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    Tinbuster

    Thanks for all the replies.  According to Steve at AEAC the crossman premiers did really well in the Gamo Urban.  I just picked one up and am trying to acquire what it likes to eat.

    My Urban #2 shoots the ones in the tin Very well! It's tuned to 21-ish ft lbs. Urban #1 is tuned to 29+ ft lbs and perfers the JSB 15.89's.

    I absolutely love these little BSA…er, GAMO's! I have the triggers safely tuned to 18 oz. and they are VERY accurate! I picked them up for 199.00 just before Christmas. 

    Mike

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     I can not buy the domes in my area..

    Not in my area either. I've gotten them from walmart.com, added to 4 gal of 5-40 mobil1 order for free shipping,Gotta luv the 6.7PS engine with 13qts of oil. Pellets were $6.35 per 500ct tin end of last Oct……………………. W/M will not ship them to Illinois, I tried to order a crapload of them 3 yrs ago, but they wont( I even called W/M headquarters) ship, but sell the cphp, go figure..

     

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    fishinwrench
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    I was given some brown box Premier's but they didn't shoot any better, or any worse than the CPHP from Walmart.  

    They are consistent, clean, and shoot perfectly fine in every gun I have tried them in.   They are also the only pellet that I don't feel the need to wash, dry, and lube.   My only beef is that I wish they made them in heavier weights.  

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    bigheadted
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    I have found in my modified\tuned Benjamin Marauder\Armada hybrid that is tuned for the JSB heavies shoots the Crosman Premier Hollow Points almost as well and with point of aim so close that for shots under 30 yards no scope adjustment is needed  

    Also the piranha HPs shoot acceptably though not as tight.

     

    Both my NP rifles like them as well and I tested over 10 different types over the years. 

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    Quad82
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    I still have a couple boxes of .20cal. I loved shooting FT with them in my R-10 back in the 90s

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