Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk 22, Gone throgh it and still inconsistent???

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    Bobbed06
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    Ok, since I have had such great luck with my Ruger Blackhawk Elite 177 cal ($99 bux at Walmart) Gone thru and made sure it was properly assembled (it wasnt, but is now) I can literally take a standing shot at a squirrell at 40 yards and drop it with this Ruger
    Anyways, since I had such great luck with that cleariing out various varmints from the property with that cheapo. I thought I needed a tad more power for some larger groundhawgs. So I bought a Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk 22 for $110 bux and performed the following tasks.Bolts were all loose, and filthy. Cleaned all of the threads of old loctite (none was on barrel pivot!)Wire brush threads of bolts after removal of loctite, degrease threads of all 3 stock bolts and pivot bolt.Clean all holes with alcohol and q tips.Lighlty grease barrel pivot pinTraxxas 5114 bearing on trigger blade, remove trigger spring, adjuster screw,pin, and plastic threaded pieceBlue Loctite all bolt threads and reassemble.Cleaned all scope mounting bolts and threads as well.WD40 on a bore mop, to remove grease.Lightly grease barrel catch.

    Ok, so far it has about 200 plus shots thru it with Crosman Hollow Point 14.3 gr pellets. I originally dialed it in at close range (15 yards) until I felt more comfortable with it and got some more shots thru it. So today I upped the range to 20 yards and I setup my 3 target spinner. I was shooting at the far right spinner, and hit it 2-3 times then it would throw a lefty and spin the middle target! I figured it was me. So I kept at it and sure enuff it did it again. Now keep in mind this rifle has the trigger fixed, I am resting the barrell on a sand bag on a table. Thus minimizing human error (I am no pro for sure)

    So, I setup a large piece of card board. Drew 6 circular targets on it and started to take shots at it, taking my time, and using binoculars to confirm shot placement in between shots. Once i started to get 10 shot groups i would start dialing in the scope. My groups started low and right. I started dialing  it up and left. It would start moving toward bullseye, then sure enough I would get a flyer, Way High and Left…

    I am starting to lose my patience with this rifle, any tips on holds, shooting style, pellet choice, anything you all can think of would be helpful. Is it not broke in yet with 200 plus shots thru it? Wrong pellets?

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    thumper
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    If it’s a flier just every now and then, I’d check the pellets first. Take note if any feel more loose, or more tight, than the majority when loading them in the barrel. Try and see if the really LOOSE or TIGHT ones cause the flier. I use the Crosman HPs from time to time, and sometimes they are VERY inconsistent. Lot’s of peewees in a tin. But even with that, if I sort out all the undersized ones, my HW100 PCP with a Lothar Walther barrel will group them in a 3/8 cluster at 50 yards, just as good as it does with more expensive JSB Heavy pellets. Matter of fact, most of my .22 guns shoot them well, but ONLY if I sort out all the crappy ones. 

    If you don’t have a way to measure or sort them, the above method will be close enough to notice a difference in my experience. Try and get you a better tin of pellets. Try some H&N Field Target Trophy or a JSB or something. Either of those will at least be more consistent in a single tin than the Crosmans.

    There are so many variables involved, that it’s almost impossible to start to diagnose it. 

    Wind
    Hold sensitivity
    Lockup issues
    Scope issues
    Powerplant issues (dieseling, gouged piston seal, etc.)

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    Bobbed06
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    I have noticed that when loading a pellet into the barrell on the Nitro Venom using both the Crosman Hollow Point 14.3gr and Crosman Pirahna 14.3gr they fit very tight. So much that the skirt does not look to seat all the way into the barrell. I have considered buying a pellet pen/seater so I can set the depth consistently every time.

    How do you go about measuring your pellets?

    I will try some of the pellets you mentioned as well.

    Thank You

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    I know there are guys who swear by the crosman pellets, but I’ve never had much luck with them ..try a coipls different weight jsb pellets . if its deforming the pellets then there’s n chance it’ll shot straight. As far as hold its a can of worms I’d just as soon not open .

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    “Bobbed06”I have noticed that when loading a pellet into the barrell on the Nitro Venom using both the Crosman Hollow Point 14.3gr and Crosman Pirahna 14.3gr they fit very tight. So much that the skirt does not look to seat all the way into the barrell. I have considered buying a pellet pen/seater so I can set the depth consistently every time.

    How do you go about measuring your pellets?

    I will try some of the pellets you mentioned as well.

    Thank You

    
The cheapest tool for sorting pellets that is still reliable is probably the Pelletgage. Its a flat device with various sized holes that you place a pellet in. If it falls through the hole, you know it’s smaller than the size marked for that hole. If it don’t fit through, you know it’s bigger. 

    But be warned, the Crosmans usually have a small seam up the sides that makes this type of measuring device innaccurate sometimes.

    I have a device called a Lead Head that will measure any .22 or .25 cal pellet perfectly. But it’s super expensive, I just happened to get lucky and find it cheap. I rarely use it as long as I stick with good pellets.

    If you tried some different pellets, you would probably find some that would shoot good and let you skip all the measuring hooplah ;)

     

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    Bobbed06
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    Thanks Guys,
    I will try some higher quality pellets. I had watched several reviews on this rifle and the fella that thoroughly tested this particular Venom said he had good luck with the Crosman Hollow Points 14.3 gr.

    That is what I was going off of,but it looks like I will be buying some RWS supermags or JSBs i the near future. i am gonna go back and re watch the reviews and see what was the most consistent for the reviewer.

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    Bobbed06
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    Looks like the Venom likes the

    JSB Diablo Exact Jumbo 15.89 gr

    I will order some and try some shot cards.

    Edit…..I think I know what happened. I may have confused the most accurate pellets for my Ruger Blackhawk Elite 177 (Crosman Premier Hollow Points) would work well in this Crosman Nitro Venom 22. Apparently the Nitro Venom hates the Crosman Premier Hollow Points.

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    Bobbed06
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    JSB Diablo Exact Jumbo 15.89 gr ordered along with a couple of extra goodies! I mean, ya gotta get that free shipping!

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    thumper
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    Hahaha sounds like you got it bad! 

    Good deal bud, I hope it helps your accuracy issues. Keep us posted.

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    Bobbed06
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    Yea, these new offerings are so tempting. Its hard to pass a deal when you can get a new rifle for $100 bux.

    I will update this post when I get a chance to take a crack at some target cards at 20 yards.I have high hopes for the Nitro Venom. It has that classic look, but slightly modernized with a weaver rail and black finish. If it doesnt make the cut I am not into it for that much money and I will mount it on the wall and use it for a loaner to get other friends into the sport.

    I really appreciate the input guys. Thanks again for having me!

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    Update, still waiting on my JSB pellets but I spent some time plinking my metal spinners set at 13 yards. The first 2 shots missed far right, but good on height. I gave the scope a half turn to the left. Bullseyed the next 10 shots. At this point I feel like its probably the craptastic Centerpoint scope causing these issues. If the JSBs still get these oddball fliers and oddball scope adjustment requirements I will be installing a new scope.

    Edit. I really like the shorter travel and feel of the trigger mods.

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    Bob the Center point scopes are a crap shoot at best !! The JSB pellets should really help .

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    Bobbed06
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    Yep I agree Joe. I just wanted to get the Venom grouping consistent before i spent any dough on a upgraded scope. Really lookin forward to trying the JSB pellets. I am at about 300 shots so far and am thinking its starting to settle in now. I have a scope picked out, just waitin to see what its gonna do with the JSBs then go from there.

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    JoeWayneRhea
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    Most springers take a little bit to ” shoot in” by the time you get pellets in you ought to be ready to roll !

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    John_in_Ma
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    You may not want to rest the gun on it’s barrel. This will cause poi shift as it puts stress on the breech seal, and can cause movement between the breech block and compression tube.

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    Bobbed06
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    “John_in_Ma”You may not want to rest the gun on it’s barrel. This will cause poi shift as it puts stress on the breech seal, and can cause movement between the breech block and compression tube.

    
I reread my post, I am actually resting on the stock. I will however pay closer attention on future shots to be sure I am resting on the stock.

    Thank You

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    You might want to check your breech seal. Does it extend a bit, more so on the bottom than the top? I had a problem like yours with a Vantage .22 and tried everything you’ve mentioned to no avail. I carefully removed the breech seal (use a small flat blade screwdriver) and shimmed it with a couple rotations of waxed dental floss around the hole. Put the seal back in and it’s a tack driver with JSB 15.4s. I have 3 other Benji/Crosman break barrels and this is the only one that won’t shoot the CPHP 14.3s at least decently. Then I have a NP2 Summit .22 that I had the same difficulty with and could never get it to shoot any pellet consistently. Sent it back to Crosman and they sent a new replacement that shoots the Crosman HPs and Domes in the same hole at 35 yards if I do my part.

    Good luck!

    Ed

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    Well today i recieved a pristine card board box in my mail box. Opened it to find a severely dented tin of JSB Pellets, sure enough I opened them and the entire tin has suffered damage. Here are just a few of the wonderful pellets Amazon decided was suitable to ship me. I find it rediculous I paid $19 bux for 250 pellets and this is what I get.

    Next question….Who is a well known seller that actually knows that we are paying for a fragile,precision item when we pay almost 20 bux for 250 pellets? I am quite sure the Crosmans I currently pay $6 bux for 500 will shoot better than these in this condition.

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    “OldCorps”You might want to check your breech seal. Does it extend a bit, more so on the bottom than the top? I had a problem like yours with a Vantage .22 and tried everything you’ve mentioned to no avail. I carefully removed the breech seal (use a small flat blade screwdriver) and shimmed it with a couple rotations of waxed dental floss around the hole. Put the seal back in and it’s a tack driver with JSB 15.4s. I have 3 other Benji/Crosman break barrels and this is the only one that won’t shoot the CPHP 14.3s at least decently. Then I have a NP2 Summit .22 that I had the same difficulty with and could never get it to shoot any pellet consistently. Sent it back to Crosman and they sent a new replacement that shoots the Crosman HPs and Domes in the same hole at 35 yards if I do my part.

    Good luck!

    Ed

    
If I continue to have these issues I will replace the piston seal, and the breech seal. It does look a tad flattened and may need replacing.

    Thank You for the reply

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