Crosman, I have some questions

Forums Industry Q&A Crosman, I have some questions

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    PumaCarl
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    Are you ever going to make a sidelever breech for the Marauder?

    Are you ever going to make a Marauder Bullpup, or any bullpup in .177,.22, .25 caliber?

    Why exactly do the Premier Gold Tip Pellets cost 17 cents a piece, are the tips actually gold plated?

    Prove me wrong Crosman and actually answer a question. I would like to buy American, but if you are never going to make it, let us know.

     

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    JimNM
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    Hey, why not ask this on the website for CROSMAN???   What makes you think they will find your question on some random website?

    Really, work smarter.  I could ask my refrigerator when the mailman is gonna arrive – and i would have a better chance of getting an answer.  The responsibility is yours and yours  alone to ask the right question in the right place.

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    PumaCarl
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      I disagree. This is not some random website. Far from it. It is at, or represented at every major event.
    I have read for years other people asking them directly and getting nothing. This, as you call it, "random website" set this space up to ask this industry questions, so I am. And everybody can see it, and see if they answer. This isn't just the right place, it is the perfect place, set up exactly for this purpose. What do you think it's for? I just asked questions in a spot set up for questions and they are good questions.

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    Chicken-Farmer
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    I am certainly not speaking for Crosman. I would say their fancy Gold pellets are $.17 a piece because folks buy them at that price. I'm not saying it's right. Keep in mind that the majority of folks buy an airgun at Walmart with a tin of pellets, shoot it a couple times and it goes into the closet. The gun might not ever see a tin of pellets through it. Those folks are the customers that pay $.17 per pellet.

    I would go broke at those prices. I eat through a tin of pellets every couple days. I'm retired and shoot every morning for a couple hours.

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    JimNM
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    Your prior post in this very forums shows that you are antagonistic toward AGN as well as the "industry".  You are free to rant at the moon.  It wont get you any answers.  

    Side lever breach – never gonna happen.

    Bullpup – not bloody likely

    Pellet cost, I refer you to Econ 101 and Econ 201 at your local Jr College.  Knowledge is power.  Learn a little about market forces and be happier in your life.

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    PumaCarl
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    Wow JimNM, you read my intent pretty wrong. Yeah, I have been critical about some issues but only because no one else has, and they should be at times. First off, the last question about the pellet price, was (I thought) an obvious joke, because the price is. I don't care what they charge or what people are willing to pay, it is just an oddity to bother. I actually really like Crosman and I have recently bought a TR77NP just for fun, and it shoots as accurately has my two FWB124 with CPD pellets no less! You must have missed that post. I also shoot thousands of Crosman Premiers every year because my guns love them, even though they are supposedly not as good as they use to be. I love this website and I have my airgun nation hoodie, shirt and coffee cup to prove it. I have never bought swag from another website. I am not antagonistic to AGN. I have been sarcastic about people being test drivers and not really being committed to a purchase, because I don't think you get the most out of a gun until you've lived with it for a while, years. Just an opinion of mine. Ignore it, I am sure you will. I think the airgun "INDSUSTRY" has been doing incredible things in just the last two years. All that said, I am not goiong to give Crosman a pass on the Marauder, especially considering everything else that has been happening in the market. When I was looking to purchase my first pcp I was reading everything, everywhere, including all of the correspondence others were having with Crosman. I really wanted to buy a Marauder but there was always a rumor that they were going to come out with a side-lever breech. A rumor which Crosman never confirmed or denied. The Marauder was the number one selling pcp in America for years in a row, so when the other companies in the "industry" started coming out with side-lever breeches you would think, having all that market share, they would too. Nope. I still want to build a Marauder from the ground up so that I have an American airgun that I can always get parts for but I don't want to buy a breech from Russia or Asia to do it. That would kind of defeat the purpose. And I am not the only one asking about it either. And as for the Bull Pup question, seriously? I am really curious as to why they have not made one yet. And what on God's green earth makes you so certain that they won't do it either? The .357 caliber Bulldog is a bullpup, they make that. If enough people ask they might a smaller caliber one. I am asking, I am doing something, in the open, where everyone can see it. I don't know what nerve I triggered in you, but I hope Crosman gets just as worked up if they read this as you have, that is my intent; to get through to them. This is suppose to be a place to ask the industry questions, not to rant at the moon at each other for asking them.

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    Phillip.Guadalupe
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    Hey guys!,

    I’m Phillip Guadalupe with Velocity Outdoor and I am the product manager for the PCP category and was the product manager who launched the Gold Tip pellets  

    As far as the Marauder stuff it’s definitely on my list of things I want to pursue. I have a new boss that is aligned with what I want for PCP and hopefully looking to do something to in the next few years. Recently conducted a PCP survey  to gauge what people really wanted and the side lever was very popular. So that is a no brainer  you can see a snapshot of the percentage below.

     

    The small bore bullpup is a gap in our assortment but the traditional stock was by far the most popular.  But you never know and may see something in the near future. 

     

    The gold tip. The main reason it cost so much is because we source it. If we could make it in house it would be a lot cheaper. We can’t do the plastic version because of potential patent infringement. Long story short the patent is split between Gamo and predator international from my understanding. They were in the courts about it for years but later dropped because the one guy sold his half of the patent to gamo. I’m order to go after patent infringement you need all parties on board. So predator international tried to go after them in a different way but lead to nothing. What that means for us is if we came out with a polymer tip version the two can go after us if they work together. So we never went after that due to the potential risk.  

    Also it is heavier lead grain weight the higher the weight the more the cost. Lead makes up 90% of the cost. The tip is also a secondary process which adds cost. That’s just some of the reasons. 

    Hopefully that answers everything for you all.

     

    Best regards 

    Phillip 

     

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    JimNM
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    Well now, I just got a text from the fridge.  He says the mailman comes around 2:30.

    Shoot'em good

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    Pneumatic-Addict
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    The Marauder is still a lot of gun for the money.  Survey says the side lever is preferred, but doesn't say how much extra people would be willing to pay for it, or what priority it has over other customer preferences (e.g lighter weight).  But it does seem to take time to get things done at Crosman.  How long has the Marauder F&T (BP_ _ 64RW) been available; a year or more?  But to date, no synthetic stock for it, no exploded view and parts diagram on their website for it, and the F&T model number doesn't appear on the Gen 2 owners manual that ships with it.  I think they do well when it comes to customer service, though.

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    PumaCarl
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      Phillip, a huge thanks for the reply! It gives me a lot of hope. While I might prefer the small caiber bullpup to be the priority, because it would save me from building one from parts, I would really love to be able to order just a sidelever breech for a Marauder build.

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    JimNM

     

    Well now, I just got a text from the fridge.  He says the mailman comes around 2:30.

    Shoot'em good

    Old post but a goodie. Haha

    Very good to see Umarex, Velocity Outdoors and other manufacturers taking an active role on this forum! Keep up the good work!

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