cricket bull pup vs. carabine accuracy

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    kayaker
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    Would like to know from those of you that own both or just one of these, which is more accurate at longer distances say 75 to 100 yds. in 22 cal. & 25. cal. I'm undecided on the 22 & 25. cal.also. I was told that they are very easy to reseal – rebuild have any of you done this? Haven"t had time to call Charlie at Geor. air arms – been after sal. & steehead to much. Thankyou for your time      Darell

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    I have owned both in .25. Still own the carbine, because I found out that I just do not like the bullpup platform. Sold the bp to a friend, whom I compete against with the carbine that I now use. Sometimes he wins and sometimes I do. The bp had been power tuned by Charlie and is probably a little more guilt edge accurate than my carbine. I say it that way because both guns are really accurate. My carbine was not power tuned and shoots MK II's at about 850fps, using nitrogen (great setup). Power tuned bp's shoot 890-920fps. In order to power tune a carbine, the air tube is generally replaced with the shorter .22 caliber air tube, to allow room for the larger plenum. Therefore, I decided to accept the factory velocity, which is sufficient. For me the carbine in .25 is perfect. Good luck with your decision.

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    BR549   Thankyou for your time. What distance are you both comfortable with?  Darell

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    Kayaker, Sorry for the delayed response. We shoot air rifle silhouette: chickens at 60 yards, pigs at 75, turkeys at 90, and rams at 100. All of these critters are very small for distances engaged. I have shot ten in a row on chickens more than once, and ten in a row on pigs once. High score for me is 31/40 (which was high enough to win that particular match). The lack of success indicated on turkeys and rams is a direct result of wind issues. Note however, that I consistently score higher on rams at 100 yards than on turkeys at 90, typically 6-8/10 (Hate those narrow turkeys.) When practicing at home, under good conditions, 100 yard targets are not a problem.

    The heavy .22 caliber guns (25 grain) may get popular as time goes on. However, right now, I think the .25 caliber shooting 33.9 grain JSB's is hard to beat. Hope this info helps.

     

     

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    Hey Darrell

    I don't have both. Only have the .25 BP. I do have the Mini Carbine in .22 (fine gun btw) The first thing I would say is, do make the time and call Charlie, he is very easy going and will not preasure you or steer you wrong. Will probably take you the same or less time than posting here, although I think it best to do both frankly. It is an expensive investment and good research is not a bad thing. 

    I would agree with the above statement. The Power tunned BP will probably edge out in power (duh) and accuracy further downrange. But, you must be OK with the platform. From what I hear and know first hand they are pretty easy to work on if you have a little know how, time, and tools. I just take mine in directly to Charlie. 

    The .25 BP from what I understand, lends itself much better to Power Tuning due to the length of the barrel and the length of the shroud. It may be possible with the Carbine, but it is not as straight forward. Power Tuning requires adding a plennum that effectively lentgthens the air tube and you will need the space up front to be able to pull the collar beyond the moderator. The length of the barrel is also important, as it allows for the full potential of the extra air being released, otherwise it's just wasted air because the pellet would have exited the barrel and there would still be air that is pushing out, for nothing (hope this makes sense) 

    I too did not care for the BP and much preffer the Mini Carbine platform. But I bought one on a whim and I must admit to liking it more than I thought I would. The other thing is, this bad boy hits HARD!

    Anyway, hope this helps a bit. Call Charlie. 

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    I have the carbine in .22 and .25 calibers. Both excellent guns. The .25 outperforms the .22 at longer distances. There’s no need (for me) to tune anything. Only adjust the trigger to your liking and the pellet speed for accuracy.

    With the .22 I had the best results using the JSB 18’s at 880-890 fps.

    The .25 is laser accurate with the 34’s at 830-840 fps. It can go all the way up to 880-890 fps but there is no improvement in accuracy and the gun becomes hard to control (for me). This when the regulator settled to about 120 bar.

    It seems to me that 830-840 fps is the magic speed for the 34’s because I also have the best results at this speed with my FX ELITE with an ST barrel.

    The barrel of the .25  bp is 600 mm and .25 carbine’s is 615 mm. The difference is air tube capacity where bp’s is 350 cc and carbine’s 280 cc. These from the official site.

    And a photo just to tease you…

     

    Hope this helps

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    BR 549    Thanks for the info & your time. I have shot the 22 & 25 cal. in BP love them both, the only problem is that I"d like to have the cocking mech. forward not at the back of the butt. just another dilemma & which cal. I"ll be choosing. Thanks again  Darell

    intenseaty22  Nice to hear from you again, I got the info on Charlie from one of your other post awhile back so I looked up his web site great info. I knew you had the crickets so was hoping to hear from you. That 25 is very shocking on it's hiting power on grey diggers, (desert rats) you don't forget the sound !!. I will be intouch with Charlie very soon. Thanks for your time    Darell

    COSTAS4597  Thankyou for your time to respond also. Looks as if it might be the 25 from what I'm seeing, also thanks for the info on pellet weight & fps will look into it. Seems like every time I get another gun there's a different type of pellet I need. Well PYD. AIR likes it .  Thanks again  Darell

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Darell, don’t discount the .22 though. The Mini Carbine is a sweet little shooter. Check out the post below. It’s my favorite gun so far.

     

    https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/cricket-mini-at-111-yards/

     

     

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    intenseaty22      Yes I recall that post buy centercut . I was thinking of buying  that carbine when it was on the classified for sale,but waited to long to decide, it went fast. Did not know they were accurate to that distance. Thanks for reminding me  Darell

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