Crazy the power of these pcp’s!

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Bigragu

Bigragu

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had a friend over today, whose never heard about Airguns, period. After a pcp 101 class, I let him and his 22 year old son take turns shooting my wildcat 30 cal. I pre set out these reactive targets for them, and gave them challenges. First up, is hitting all the paintballs off of the tees, then try and snapping a few tees. 

This was set out exactly at a ranged 58 yards



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Next up, I set out some water bottles filled with water, and challenged them to hit the bottle cap off of the bottle, without tipping the bottle over. My friends son did it with ease, at his first try. His dad finished it off by just shooting at the capless bottle, filled with water. Distance to bottles were at 55 yards. Not bad shooting for a 22 year old that’s never shot a pcp. Good times.



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When they left I went to pick up the targets and saw that one of the two(probably my buddy, lol) had shot low on the 2x4. I looked and saw that the 44.75 grain Vortex pellets, traveling at 925 FPS, had blown clean thru an 1 5/8” thickness of Doug fir. OMG. I guess sometimes I’ve taken the power of these things for granted. You can see how one of the pass thrus had “shortened” a golf tee, as I pre drilled all the holes on that side to the same depth for those tees. Crazy power, and yes, I need to be more conscious about back stops. The only reason the shots didn’t blast thru the 2x2 behind it is that slot is what holds the cast iron plate I use as the backstop. 



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Yep just a matter of time before they require registration, background etc.
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You think so? Like in England? I hope not, most, if not all PCP shooters are responsible, ethical people. So barring something sensational, I don’t expect any special legislation pertaining to Airguns. Lots of bigger fish to fry in our nation at the moment.
 
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Its not so much the power of these guns but the accuracy of them, 

But I agree its a matter of time with the full auto crap, 

And able to hunt and kill big game,, We are not flying under the radar, We have already caught there eye, 

enjoy the toys while we can...

I remember 10 years ago we, called silencers LDC and the word silencer was banned , We did not want to draw attention to our sport...

Mike 
 
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I ran a range for sometime. We had lots of Federal, State and city LEO train at our Houge action pistol, rifle and PRS range. They seemed to be most upset with the fact that a Felon can purchase the rifle/pistol without anyone knowing and then ()this was the frosting on the cake for them) it will be delivered to their doorstep. That comment was from two Alphabet org agent I was chatting up. It is most differently on there radar.

Eamon
 
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I remember when MO passed shooting deer with a .40 pcp there was tons of people yelling that felons can get them and that’s dangerous. And the kid said something along the lines a felon can get a gun as well way cheaper.

i don’t believe the gov will come after them unless they think that it can be used against the gov. And so far the states that regard them as firearms have a whole bunch of other problems with regulations down the size of soda you can have but non violent crimes don’t warrant a lock up. Just one state as example

so does that mean if one were caught with a unlicensed BB gun is it non violent and you can get out same day.. skip court and do it again for ever like the feller that’s up to 300+ Arrests for robbery boasting he can make 500$ a day..

the worst part is people don’t like those in charge making rules that have no base in reality but yet we the people elected them. So who really is the fool. 
 
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But at what point should we take it upon ourselves to regulate it!? Before, or after someone unloads an SK19 on a crowd? The manufacturers are literally going to put each other out of business. Sooner than later mark my words. The high powered semi and full autos bring a different crowd. There are a ton of pcp's that work for the reason you all avoid talking about here. The hands over eyes and ears approach is ignorant.
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I'm not really sure what you are implying here, on several issues. How would we take it upon ourselves to regulate "it?" Many members here have purchased semi and full auto PCPs. Are they members of this mysterious different crowd? And what about them is "high-powered?" As far as I know, they are all within the same power levels as their lever/bolt action counterparts. What is this mysterious reason we all avoid talking about here? Enquiring minds want to know. Well, mine does. Regulation is a government function, but maybe you meant some other action, and I'm missing your point? These are genuine questions from me, and I love open dialog. I look forward to hearing back from you!

James
 
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But at what point should we take it upon ourselves to regulate it!? Before, or after someone unloads an SK19 on a crowd? The manufacturers are literally going to put each other out of business. Sooner than later mark my words. The full autos bring a different crowd.
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For the price of an LCS SK19 at just over $2000 I'm sure psychos would rather put their money in a couple of $500 ARs with the full auto class 3 bolt carrier sear conversion with plenty of $299 100 round Beta C-MAGS and plenty of ammo instead be a lot cheaper with no need for an air source. Besides takes some time reloading the built in 19 round magazine after each full auto burst since they're not removable contrary as to how convenient it is for an AR full auto conversion with Beta C-Mags. Yo!
 
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Many different versions of these guns are made with tactical or self defense as the #1 function in mind. Not acknowledging it, banning it from discussion here doesn't make it untrue.
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Please disregard my question about the mystery reason in my previous post. Where in the world do you get the idea that any, let alone many, of the PCPs are made with tactical or self-defense as the #1 function?

James
 
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A 900fps .25 semi auto will kill you deader than fack. There are many more powerful and capable out there. 

Why do you choose to ignore it?
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Well, naturally any weapon suitable for hunting medium or larger game would do so. Who said I was ignoring it? I have a .45 caliber air rifle easily capable of taking big game. This forum is here for the enjoyment and edification of airgunners. Many members have voiced their concerns about the increased power of the newest airguns. Not all of us agree on whether this is a good or bad thing. One thing is for certain, though. The genie is out of the bottle. I can't stop somebody else from misusing an airgun. I can only use mine legally, admonish others to do so as well, and try to be a good ambassador for our hobby to those not involved in it. What else would you have us do?

James
 
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I would never take a full auto pellet gun against my AR. Like taking a cat to a gun fight
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There are MANY pcp's that are powerful enough to kill you through your clothes, let alone the face. If I shoot you first you lose. DGAF how big your "gun" is. 

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Oh I have no doubt that some pellet guns can be lethal/made to be lethal. My post said that I would never take a pcp toy to a gun fight. Seems like a simple and obvious point. If you have someone breaking in your house, you are going to grab your shotgun every single time, not a toy air rifle. If you had nothing else, like absolutely nothing else, a larger bore pcp air rifle might work well hopefully with just the assumption that it isn’t an air rifle by the assailant. Still, I would rather have a small 10-22 if nothing else, and a 10-22 would still out perform nearly all these air rifles. 


PS: an AR doesn’t run out of air...
 
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To answer your question I'd say anything .25 or bigger at 800fps or faster is a huge liability.

I mean I thought I was pretty clear about at least one suggestion. The semi or full autos in this category are gonna be what blows the lid off.



Pun intended.
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Life is a liability. We already have too much of a nanny state. Individuals can make choices as to what they need, and some individuals will make good choices and some individuals will make bad choices. A nanny state doesn’t stop either of those people from making those choices, it just makes them act like children while doing it.
 
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Nothing I guess. Just sit there and wait for it. Won't be long.
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And with that reply, sir, I bid you good night. I may be wrong, but I'm beginning to think I smell a troll. Did you not announce earlier that you had ordered a TC 45? Why then are you criticizing the very thing you're participating in? Curiosity led me to check out your other posts, and I am even more convinced I am being trolled. I wish you the best, regardless.

James
 
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I would never take a full auto pellet gun against my AR. Like taking a cat to a gun fight
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There are MANY pcp's that are powerful enough to kill you through your clothes, let alone the face. If I shoot you first you lose. DGAF how big your "gun" is. 

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Oh I have no doubt that some pellet guns can be lethal made to be lethal. My post said that I would never take a pcp toy to a gun fight. Seems like a simple and obvious point. If you have someone breaking in your house, you are going to grab your shotgun every single time, not a toy air rifle. If you had nothing else, like absolutely nothing else, a larger bore pcp air rifle might work well hopefully with just the assumption that it isn’t an air rifle by the assailant. Still, I would rather have a small 10-22 if nothing else, and a 10-22 would still out perform nearly all these air rifles. 


PS: an AR doesn’t run out of air...
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You keep calling it a toy.

Why would a PCP be a bad option? I have one by my bed that will put a lot of very sharp lead into anyone in a hurry. They will die. It has no flash, they wont see me. The neighbor might not even hear it.

I'm real good with it, I'll get ya with the first round. 

Why do you think it matters at all what you brought after you're dead? 

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Hey man, just my opinion. You have yours. I am formally trained with actual rifles that is the reason I call these toys, because they are, at least in my opinion. 


be safe and Godbless bud!
 
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