Close range pesting with wadcutters or HPs?

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    Smaug
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    What have your experiences been?

    Assume plenty of power for pass-throughs, when using domes. Range: 10-15 yds. .177 caliber @ 18 FPE.

    I think they’ll have a much harder impact than domes. What have your experiences been?

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    cahil_2
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    Have you tried predator polymags.  Close range with a lower power gun, they could give you better results.

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    Smaug
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    “cahil_2”Have you tried predator polymags.  Close range with a lower power gun, they could give you better results.

    
Haven’t tried them yet, but I have a tin on my Wish List at straightshooters. I’ll put them in with my next order. They seem to be a much-loved for hunting. 

    I plan to try them in my TX200; not sure if you consider that a lower power gun.

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    ajshoots
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    I like polymags as well. I have never had any luck with hp’s like crosman as they seem to perform about like a dome. However, hp’s like crowmags being softer lead and a hollowpoint that is much larger, they work well. Wadcutters have worked ok for close range, but my vote would go to polymags and crowmags. The benefit of the polymags vs crowmags is better accuracy and a much longer range if needed. These have been my experiences in similar powered springers and pcp’s.

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    0akhonor
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    I’d like to second that emotion..(Smoky Robinson, anyone?).  Using a small pump up 760, or light shooting CO2 gun, wadcutters work well on mice, rats, and small squirrels. For a more powerful Airgun, I’d always prefer Poly Mag’s. Crows and Devastators work as well, but are range limited due to accuracy.
    Not to deviate from the subject, for putting down rats in a sticky trap, a wadcutters put into the chamber reversed in a 760 with three pumps is quiet, and considerable. All the warnings apply- there will not be a manufacturer, pellet or rifle, recommending or condoning this behavior, but… It works for me. Not for longer shots, but as a dispatcher to the great beond, they’ve been effective and rather gruesome.
    Crosman HP’s are too hard to expand, at least on my soft, California rodentia. 

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    X27
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    Look up the H&N Barracuda hunter extreme..

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    Smaug
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    “X27”Look up the H&N Barracuda hunter extreme..

    
Have you tried them? Or just egging ME on to try them? ;)

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    Smaug
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    Well, I zeroed the Marauder for 10 yards with RWS SuperMag. They shoot more accurately out of it than the RWS Super H-point or Beeman/H&N Crow Mag.

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    In other news, I glanced out at the feeder today and saw a little bird on it. (first time, as the squirrels seemed to have dibs before) “House Sparrow,” thought I. “Needs to take his pill.” Got my HW30s, which was still by the door, went out to investigate. Not a House Sparrow after all, but a chickadee or finch. Scanning the tree some more, I saw a few Cedar Waxwings. No invasives in my yard/tree today! There are a pair of cardinals nesting in the back hedge, too. My work is paying off, as the native guys feel comfortable again! I drilled a few starlings and a sparrow, a couple weeks ago, in addition to the squirrels.

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    hasenpfeffer
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    “Smaug”
Have you tried them? Or just egging ME on to try them? ;)

    
I’ve fired the .22 version from a NP springer into a bucket of water to test expansion.  They expand very nicely.  (As opposed to CPHPs, which do not expand at all…)

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    bill_dd97
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    Wadcutters around 7gr I’ve tried in my .177 pumper at 600fps kill birds and short range ground squirrels efficiently with few passing through.  I have not experienced much expansion, but they do expel all energy into the target when they don’t pass through.

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    Bobbed06
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    Answered my own question….Nevermind

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    Smaug
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    “hasenpfeffer”

    “Smaug”
Have you tried them? Or just egging ME on to try them? ;)

    
I’ve fired the .22 version from a NP springer into a bucket of water to test expansion.  They expand very nicely.  (As opposed to CPHPs, which do not expand at all…)

    
OK, thanks.  I’ll try a tin of them soon. They look to be quite aerodynamic, maybe even more so than the Polymags. They’d surely work better at medium and long distances than wadcutters. 

    So far, about 90% of my shots on pests have been 10 yds., and the rest at around 15. Hard to justify the purchase of expensive expanding pellets with those kind of stats, ya know?

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    Smaug
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    This thread makes me want to set up a pellet trade thread. I think a lot of times, we have to buy a whole tin, just to try them, only to find out none of our Guns like them. 

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    If most of your shots are 10 yds with the occasional 18 yd shot on pest birds and squirrels you should get setup with a 10 – 12 fpe airgun. That close of ranges even 10 fpe can be allot and have pass thrus on pest birds. I get people commenting on some of my videos about how much power I am using. They say “man you must be using a .22 at 30 fpe for a hit like that” I say no its a .177 @ 10.6 fpe @ the muzzle and the shots are 18 – 21 yds. A nice soft shooting springer or pcp if you want quick follow up shots would be perfect at 10 – 12 fpe. I have two pcp setup for lower power one is .177 and gets over 160 shots on a fill and the other is a 15 fpe .22 carbine that gets something north of 70 shots a fill. I dont remember the last time I filled them:)

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    Well guys, I tried out the RCA SuperMag wad cutters from the Marauder. I got two house sparrows and a chipmunk. They hit like a sledgehammer.

    The first sparrow was facing away from me. The shot entered just behind one of his legs, and exited the neck. He dropped right down in a shower of feathers. Not even a twitch. 

    The second sparrow, I shot in the back, and it blew the whole chest out. Quarter sized exit wound. Again, not even a twitch. Must’ve hit the breast bone from behind. 

    The chipmunk, I hit in the spine, right by the shoulders. The impact knocked him over on his side, and his front legs tried to run for maybe 7 seconds. Then he was still. I have a pic of the second sparrow I’ll post later. 

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    RidinLou
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    What is most accurate?
    Put anything where the life switch is and you will turn it off at that distance.
    Flatter point seems to always transfer more energy to living target.

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    Smaug
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    Here’s the damage on that second sparrow:

    RidinLou, the wadcutter gives more margin for error, because we can’t always be assured of a heart or brain shot on a moving target. Most accurate are the Crosman Premier Heavies, but at 10 yards, the differences cannot really be seen. So I thought I’d go for the one with more impact.

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    Wadcutter
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    That’s not a house sparrow it looks to be a female house finch.

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    X27
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    “Smaug”

    “X27”Look up the H&N Barracuda hunter extreme..

    
Have you tried them? Or just egging ME on to try them? ;)

    
I have tryed them. I made a review vid and put it on my YouTube channel. I’ll link the video later when I have my tablet its easer. 

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    0akhonor
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    I’ve tried the barracuda Extreme and destroyers- they haven’t been accurate enough to warrant much use in my backyard.
    I’ve tried them in 2 different FX’s, 2 different Vulcans, Hatsan break barrels, Edgun Veles, Crosman 760, a Cricket-  they just weren’t accurate enough for the small pests. They must have some gun they do work in.
    YMMV?

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