Cheap Scopes vs Expensive Scopes
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I'm not bitching about the reviews. I enjoy them. I pointed out a couple discrepancies in his testing methodology.
If the test had been on a new scope (not a trashed scope) and "POI" change was tested using magnification changes (rather than focus changes). It would have passed the same as the other more favorably reviewed scopes.
I'm not angry. I'm mostly happy with my Monstrum 6-24x50. I use it in Field Target competition. Against scopes that often cost 4x and 5x as much. I've only shot a few matches with it, but none of the problems in the "review" manifested in actual use.
So - not angry, just amused that I can win Field Target matches using a scope deemed to be a "worthless POS".
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A little education on the subject of expected parallax, per the ChairGun Maximum Parallax Error app:
This test is not brand specific. It's based on the scope design (mostly the objective size), and the parallax settings.
Adjusted incorrectly, any scope can have errors such as this:
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When adjusted correctly, a good scope should have almost no parallax error:
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What was shown by Joe is not unusual, and has nothing to do with the quality of the scope.
I care more about the minimum parallax error that a scope will give me. I don't really care about maximum error since I know how to dial it out.
This test is not brand specific. It's based on the scope design (mostly the objective size), and the parallax settings.
Adjusted incorrectly, any scope can have errors such as this:
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When adjusted correctly, a good scope should have almost no parallax error:
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What was shown by Joe is not unusual, and has nothing to do with the quality of the scope.
I care more about the minimum parallax error that a scope will give me. I don't really care about maximum error since I know how to dial it out.
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Joe:
Based on your experience with so many scopes, what is your opinion of the Crimson Trace 5 series 3-18x50 34 mm scope?
What about the Atlon Ares Gen 2 2.5-15 x50 ?
Last but not least, would you please rate in descending order ( best, better, good) the Tract Toric, the Crimson Trace, series 5 and the Athlon Cronus?
Thanks for your input!
LFCM
Based on your experience with so many scopes, what is your opinion of the Crimson Trace 5 series 3-18x50 34 mm scope?
What about the Atlon Ares Gen 2 2.5-15 x50 ?
Last but not least, would you please rate in descending order ( best, better, good) the Tract Toric, the Crimson Trace, series 5 and the Athlon Cronus?
Thanks for your input!
LFCM
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JMO, I would order them; Cronus = Tract Toric >Crimson Trace 5. YMMV.
Better/Best is relative, to you and your need.
All of these brands offer very nice optics at there respective price point. Variations in optical glass are inevitable, regardless of brand and price.
Each have there own technical strengths and weaknesses that will influence a purchase. Personal value will be achieved after weighing the differences applied to your needs.
Patrick
Better/Best is relative, to you and your need.
All of these brands offer very nice optics at there respective price point. Variations in optical glass are inevitable, regardless of brand and price.
Each have there own technical strengths and weaknesses that will influence a purchase. Personal value will be achieved after weighing the differences applied to your needs.
Patrick
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I have one and like it. Biggest gripes are weight and magnification ring is hard to turn. Side focus is crisp down to 10 yards at 15x, easy to adjust with MK Machining printed $15 side focus wheel https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YN654J2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Illumination is bright, eye box acceptable, turrets crisp. Wouldn't say I've shot through enough scopes in the $800 price range to offer glass comparison, clear for my purposes. Obviously I'd be happier at $600 than $800 it usually sells for.
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Does the Ares Gen2 still have the slight yellow tint in their glass liked the Bushnell Forge?
I just got the competitor Hawke Frontier 2.5-15x50 and the 4-24x50 and they BOTH are clear white like Leupold or Alpha6 like white in glass no yellowing.
Mentioning it because of similar price point if you want to spend that kind of money anyway. Not pushing it due to extreme price for what you get but as a whiter clearer option that's all.
I just got the competitor Hawke Frontier 2.5-15x50 and the 4-24x50 and they BOTH are clear white like Leupold or Alpha6 like white in glass no yellowing.
Mentioning it because of similar price point if you want to spend that kind of money anyway. Not pushing it due to extreme price for what you get but as a whiter clearer option that's all.
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The Ares BTR Gen2 is a decent scope but not up there with the other ones in glass. The turrets are actually quite good though and it has a zero stop. Reticle is superior if you like all .2 mil. Well I like the moa reticle too that a friend uses.
For 2021 I want the new Cronus Gen2 because of the also new APRS6 all .2 mil reticle. It also features a new turret system. All added up it's the scope to beat. Heck the last gen Cronus BTR is at the top anyway.
But wait there's more, JK, no really there's a new Ares ETR 3-18x50 coming out too that will be one awesome scope, also available with the new reticles.
Too many cool scopes coming out, darn because I can't afford them all.
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You're not supposed to notice the yellow, Odoyle! I've got a dollar that says they're trying to make their scopes seem brighter, like yellow "shooting glasses" - the tint prevents your pupil from constricting as much for a given lighting condition so everything seems brighter.
GsT
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