Cheap compressor , Not going to work.

Steve,

That was my progression:

• Bought the airgun (s)
• Bought Scuba Tank (couldn't keep up with air need, not even close)
• Then the Omega 4500 tank (too expensive in round trips to city to keep full)
• Then the Omega Turbo Charger (this is the step I wonder if I made the right choice - not bashing the charger, but myself)

I keep one springer on hand, AA ProSport, just in case.

I thought it was a good thread. I always felt forums were a place to learn. I guess in our society it is more important to be positive than educated. 

Agree with Fred. Provide as many OPINIONS as possible so that each person can make their own most informed decision. I have a Yong Heng. It works. I had a Tuxing. It worked. The Tuxing has failed. Did it last a long time? No. But others have reported that their Tuxing or Yong Heng HAS lasted a relatively long time for them. Will my Yong Heng fail also? Possibly? Probably? But who knows. I do plan to eventually get a larger (better?) compressor but have a local fire station that fills my large tank right now. Saying that "The next priority should be a large bottle" is valid only if the person in question has a way to fill a large bottle. Plenty of people have noted problems with that depending on where they are. Every situation can be different. These small compressors are working under a large load, especially when filling large tanks, and that probably does not help them last a long time. But they are relatively inexpensive and may provide what is considered acceptable use for some people depending on their situation. Many have posted that their YH or clone is still working fine for them after quite some time and seems some have reported failure in just a few hours. People need to hear all those opinions so THEY can make their own choice for THEIR situation. All just my opinion of course.

Well, for one, I am upset with the moderator ........again! for closing Mike's Thread on cheap compressors not working out well. It was timely and valid. Mike was absolutely correct. These cheap compressors are a bad investment. They will not work for a long time, but they are better than a hand pump. You get what you pay for. It is not rocket science.

The issue with any gas compressor is always heat dissipation. If you squeeze a gas 300 times its atmospheric pressure a great deal of heat must be dissipated. It is basic physics. The best compressors do it with very large surface areas, multiple cylinders and many, many of meters of air cooled piping. This works, but it is expensive to make. The same issues exist for the inexpensive compressor. They make these less expensive by using less cylinders, surface area and piping and ultimately rely on water cooling. What they supply for water cooling is not adequate and if any kind of durability is to be realized, the water cooling needs to be greatly enhanced. Now that is a subject that deserves its own thread. That enhancement will not be for free and will ultimately double the cost of the compressor or more.

I could care less if a reader was offended by this thread. There is far too much PC sensitivity in our society and that needs to change. That kind of oversight should not be practiced here depriving the readership of valuable and timely opinion.......jus sayin.

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Lots of times (as was the case here) it's not WHAT you say, but HOW you say it. This forum is not an OPEN SOCIETY, it's PRIVATELY OWNED and the owner has rules.

I read airgunmike56's comment about the inexpensive compressors and I found nothing offensive about what was said or "how" it was said.

Would you mind informing me of what was offensive or inappropriate about the comment. A PM would be welcomed to address this if the reply would offend some or violate forum rules. Thank you. 

Al

I think most of the cheaper compressors will hold up pretty good for the guy that airs up his gun directly. Knocks down on heat and much shorter run times. Heck I’m thinking about getting one just in case! Hand pumping sucks, I’m sending my nomad off for repair.

I agree with everyone's post above. Just because the moderator has the authority I think they need to back off for a bit and see where it goes. If it gets nasty and uncivil that's one thing. There was just one questionable comment which I didn't personally find offensive. Yes, maybe it could have been worded slightly different. I think in the end, that topic could have netted a positive impact but we'll never know now will we. This was kind of like a bad call against your favorite football team that everyone saw on TV, it happened but we'll forget all about it after Monday morning. .

Jimmy 

Are you employed as a mediator, Jimmy?

+1 for a very well-reasoned and evenhanded comment.

I'll throw my 2 cents in regarding cheap compressors. I own a slew of PCP's - 10 to be exact. I got into this sport about 5 years ago and have been a hand pump 100% kind of guy up until a year ago when I ended up with a Yong Heng compressor. I don't own any external fill tanks so I've been using my Yong Heng to directly fill all my PCP's with a gold filter in between to reduce any moisture in the guns. My fill times run anywhere between 1 min 30 sec to 2 min 30 sec depending on the gun's cylinder capacity. I've got about 2 hours total run time on the compressor and so far it hasn't let me down. My temps rarely get up past 43 degrees Celsius in that short fill time. I've replaced the oil about 3 or 4 times so far, roughly about every 30 min run time. I've replaced the inline filter a handful of times as well. Never rebuilt anything or replaced any seals.

I mainly hunt with my PCP's so I don't shoot thousands of pellets each month. I think the $290 investment in the pump has paid for itself. I still have a backup Hill MK 3 hand pump should I need it and I'm on the wait list for the new Nomad II compressor by Air Venturi, hopefully to be delivered this month.

I think that these compressors are ideally suited for direct filling of PCP's, not big tanks. I know a lot will disagree with me on this especially since so many have modified them, rebuilt them, and have been filling up big tanks with them. I personally want to prolong its shelf life by direct filling my PCP's. If I ever decide to go down the path of getting my own SCBA tank, I'd save up and opt for the more expensive and better built compressors such as the Omegas or Daystates, knowing that those compressors were designed to fill big tanks from the very beginning.

Cheap compressors are something I'd definitely recommend to a new shooter just getting into the sport, especially since they can directly fill up their PCP's for a fraction of the cost of buying an external 4500psi tank and high end compressor and more convenient than hand pumping. If they do get into the sport, then they can always upgrade at a later date. I think so many of my gun powder shooting friends are put off by PCP's due to being relegated to a hand pump or getting stuck with an expensive compressor/tank combo.

I envy all of you who live close to a dive/paintball shop that can fill up your tanks for free or for a nominal cost.

I read airgunmike56's comment about the inexpensive compressors and I found nothing offensive about what was said or "how" it was said.

Would you mind informing me of what was offensive or inappropriate about the comment. A PM would be welcomed to address this if the reply would offend some or violate forum rules. Thank you. 

Al

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Nothing in the post was "Offensive" to me. Now based on JimNM reply it appears it was "offensive" to him. My guess (since I am not a moderator) is that someone (most likely a few people) hit the little "FLAG" link.

Here is the link to rules. Sounds to me like the post was "interpreted" to be "inflammatory" towards those who purchased "cheap" compressors.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/forum-rules/?view=all

Thanks for clearing that up Michael. I didn't realize the flag feature worked like that but now that I've thought about for like 2 secs, lol I can see where it could come into play since the moderators aren't able to monitor every post 24/7. It's good that the members in a way can help out.

Jking

Far from hopeless, many of us use the yong heng with great results. If you want to spend more of course theres better options but mine is well past the break even point and great value for money.

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Glem, how long have you had your yong heng and any troubles with it? im thinking about getting one

I have one of the early Shoeboxes with the chain. It's reliable and air cooled but slow...however I have time. It cost me $400 over 5 years ago. 

Question: how much faster is the Yong Heng and how much regular maintenance does it need? 

There is not much regular maintenance.

i only had to change the oil 3 times very early because it went black.

now it seems to last much longer and im waiting untill something breaks (again). had a leak at a pipe but could fix it without spare parts.

i would not recommend to fill big tanks with 4500psi.

Far from hopeless, many of us use the yong heng with great results. If you want to spend more of course theres better options but mine is well past the break even point and great value for money.

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Glem, how long have you had your yong heng and any troubles with it? im thinking about getting one

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I can answer for mine:



One year and one month. If the free speech police had not nuked my posts you would know that I am 2 pages into a notebook on fills. Oil has been changed every "page" yea I know that is not really a good way to do it....but eh still working....and if my lazy butt blows it up I am out....what $200 beans.

It shows no sign of slowing down. In filling a scba tank from zero (new tank) I ran it (this is from memory) 45min before I thought I should shut it down for a cool down. I keep saying I need to post up my run times, but again lazy and I have not done it. It is to be 50 here today so I might shoot some, and then I will be filling tanks again no doubt.



I don't have first hand experience with any other compressor, be it a booster or whatever....so I can not comment on those, unlike some people. (that will get this post nuked as well I bet) But I can speak to the HY. It is noisy, it will burn the ever livin _______ out of you if you touch one of those tubes near the bleed valves...and you will touch them, or at least get close enough to go....wow that grump old fart was right (wonder if I am going to get in trouble for name calling.....MYSELF) Draining the oil is pretty simple and not messy, and I really think you should do it often as there is no bearing or bushing on the crank. Look up the slingshot channels review on this thing, it is very good and what pushed me over the edge to buy one. There is no bias in his review, and he really tears the thing down to its base parts.



At this point if this one went kaboom what would I do for a compressor....would I buy another one. Well yes I would buy again, 1hr from the dive shop, and their goofy hours yes, I would buy another compressor.....would I buy a HY? Yea I think I would, so far in reading what the other products bring to the table, yes I would. Shoebox interested me but as I understand (and this could all be wrong as I don't own one) you must have an oil free prime compressor (no big deal) to feed into it, it is really a pressure booster, this is two machines, I also understand they are not that quick, but not sure if they are quicker then the HY.....I understand they are quiet, but if I have the other compressor running it is a wash.

As to the "big" guys, really I kind of doubt it....what to the bring for all that extra cash? I would bet I am closing in on 100hrs, on mine and it is still going strong, As I understand rebuilds are easy and inexpensive. So why....down to brass tacks why. I don't see $2000+ in features on the big ones.

I read with great hope that the new compressors are going to work trouble free, But I think the 100,to 500 dollar range ones are hopeless. Now that's just what I think.

Now I lucked out about six years ago and bought a Sheldon compressor , I do not even remember what I paid for it , maybe 1,600 bucks, Its been trouble free, I guess the point is I have seen some great changes in our sport in the last eight years, 

I do think with the new cheaper and dependable compressors coming out will help the PCP sport grow like crazy, You just can not cheap out on this part of the sport.

Mike

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Wow, I am sorry guys, I did not know the 100 dollar compressors were working,

I will eat my hat here, I just hear all the negative about the new China compressors ,

You guys need to chime in here and fill us in on the works of the new compressors ,

And please list cost, As I said I think the home compressor will help grow the sport by leaps and bounds, I did not mean to piss in anyone's back yard, 

I did not mean to knock the chip off your shoulders , 

But for me six or so years ago I had to buy a compressor , It was costing me 60 miles, 2 to three hours, and 35 dollars to fill the great white up to 4500 psi and only to have 4000 psi or so when I got home, No they would not wait to refill, 

Mike

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And this.....now lets look at this. It is clear this guy had no clue about what he talked about, no clue at all, totally ignorant as to his topic....in his own words he will eat his hat...he did not know they are working. Really, have you never seen one of the thousands of posts on the cheap compressors working, or hundreds of threads on them and had just a little bit of "what is this" pop into his head before starting a flame thread.....and it is a flame thread....it is a snob thread....it is a hay if you want to play this game you need to shell out at least X thousands for a gun and another X thousands for a compressor....this will do nothing but drive people away from the hobby

This is nothing but snobbery....and really it is....at best it is being ignorant, but I have a hard time that someone on this forum even for 6 months would not have at least an understanding on what is out there to put air in our toys.

To me it strikes of just more of Ted, and his non cocking gauntlet, or best our favored child's review here where it was tested out of the norm......I don't like it and I want everyone else to not like it...so how can I make it look bad and talk it down.



There was a verifiable deviation from the standard test data accumulation.

In other words you changed your test, and justified it.

Pentagon Wars.

Really is a shame our hobby is this way, with the elite's and then everyone else getting told their stuff is "not going to work"

I’ll mention what’s not gonna work, and that’s a hand pump only kinda guy that lost an arm. Then what do you do?

Just thought I’d bring in the peace with a bit of humor.....

Hubertus and Cherokee140, thank you both for the maintenance information. Cherokee140, from your post I got a good grasp why you like the YH and how well it serves its purpose. Your post is almost like a review and placed things in perspective well. I am not sure about your second post with the frontal attack on someone else opinion. Some get the message/hint if worded in a more diplomatic way where it does not distract from the topic at hand and your otherwise well-explained constructive input. But that's just my opinion.