Case for a testing standard

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wolfie

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Hi

Very difficult for poor shots (like me) to compare accuracy performance of any gun when not shot in scientific conditions. Would prefer a standard set up . Testers , tuners and makers just do their own thing.

I purchased an advertised gun of 40 fpe which after settling in was 10% down on power. Reply from maker " you should have asked for 40 fpe !" No free collection / delivery offer to remedy this. They wouldn't even remedy it with me paying shipping costs!

In summary every maker should publish accuracy tables eg:
.22 -50 yards 5 shot target with their chosen pellets indoors, in vice, stating fill pressure start/finish and complete shot string.
New guns should come with the same data of the actual gun or be offered to the buyer at point of sale.

safe shooting
 
There are so many different variables that it would be hard for any maker/manufacturer to say exactly how each gun will perform. They give the most basic stats and leave the rest up to us which I understand. Some have been known to exaggerate a bit though.

What gun are you talking about wolfie? I'm sure there is an easy way to raise the power up to your desired speed.
 
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Hi Tweeter
So how can a gun be advertised as such and such? I don't know about other countries but UK has advertising laws against false claims. Every maker states some data which seemingly they cannot justify. I wonder how pill makers,plane makers , computer component makers can do it but not Airgun makers. 
Is it really that difficult for a manufacturer selling a product to produce performance stats? Gun A with pellet A in their own enclosed testing range say 50 yards in a vice gives ,eg .22 shoots a .50" 5 shot group . Fill pressure was 230 to 150 bar. 75 shots and graph of shot string . One set of data for each model they sell. The Manufacturer must know but doesn't tell. Car makers state performance data eg acceleration, economy, emissions. They can easily claim , as they do , manufacturing tolerances may apply. Truth is gun A at cost A being cheaper than gun B may be better or dreadful. How does the buyer know? 
The second part of my case is dealers can and should give you actual data at point of sale, even if they make a charge for those who want this info.
I will not state the gun Maker of my example.

Thanks for your offer though.

safe shooting

 
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They probably could. I'm not defending any of the air gun makers, that's up to them. I'm simply saying if you want to know how these guns perform (any air gun) you're better off listening to the end users that own and shoot them rather than believing what the manufacturers put on their websites. This has always been true and not just for airguns.

Straight shooter's website is a good resource for getting data on a potential gun purchase. If you click on any airgun they sell and look at the "Our Take" section they will show you all kinds of good stuff.

Here is one example:

http://www.straightshooters.com/air-arms-s510-extra-fac-super-lite-.22-walnut-thumbhole.html

 
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Very heloful that site, think I could become a nerd. 
I fully agree with your comments basically best way is user experience however there is no standard.
One guy says eg, groups all one hole etc , yes but at 20 yards ! Another says super shot string es of 2 , yes over 5 shots in centre of the shot string. Really does not tell me anything. 
Motor manufacturers used to say their 0-50 mph some would quote 0-30 , many years back this was. Nowadays most quote 0-62 mph(100 kph). Gives one a start point. 
But I shall log off and onto your recommended location.

safe shooting
 
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Best thing you can do is shop pyramid air and read the reviews. Their format has customers give a description, pros, cons, and things they would change.

Far better than anything printed on a box.

Also, I know pyamid offers a 10 for $10 service, where they shoot a group of 10 at a target and make sure the gun is grouping well and sighted in. You can always put in your order notes a request for chronography or an FPE figure, maybe they can abide?
 
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Hi 75904
will look at Pyramidair site.
Did look at straightshooters .Lots of guns there but no Our Take data for eg Fx Impact. Guess not enough feedback , think data base attraction not very high.
Alan
ta also
Hence I said data should , at least spell out what pellet. Some makers suggest one or two brands, indeed FX give fps data anf FPE . Rare for that much info from most makers. A new variation out shortly is tuned barrels for different pellets. So my suggested standard is getting there.

Powder burners totally different subject.

Guys though would you expect a £500 gun be more or less accurate than a £1000 gun? Or vica versa?
Accuracy is everything, isn't it ??

safe shooting
 
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There are two subjects which, as you said, should be made "standard". They truth is, they can't be.

One is accuracy. I've owned 2 break barrel guns, and neither could hit the broad side of a barn, without being inside! Yet, my neighbor could shoot one of them reasonably. This brings up the other issue, and that's hold (how a gun is held by the shooter). For example, my .25 caliber WAR Cobra doesn't shoot well when using the bipod, yet does very well over bead bags, with or without my hand under the forearm. 

I will agree that reviews should have some ballistic data included, but unfortunately, most don't give the reader enough data to make any reasonable choice. 

Oh, one more thing! I wish there was a bias filter applicable to reviews. Alas, all one can use is the old adage—If it sounds to good to be true, then.......
 
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Hi Alan

agree with you on Break Barrels(springers) much more difficult to assess. My raising of this topic should have said PCP category. Re hold - Vice .
If any gun leaps and bucks like a wild Mustang. So be it data will be there. Visible for all to see. As will accuracy. Maker would/should give a health /wealth warning caveat that this is a Wild Mustang . Does Joe Public know this. Is it a case of Caveat Emptor ? People work hard for their toys and deserve info/data accordingly. 

Ah bias filter. 100% agreement especially with regard to Airgun magazines , used to live in UK. That only test guns and related equipment advertised in that publication. Or sold by those advertisers. Rarely an impartial assessment. Viz, if the trigger feels like squeezing a lemon it should say so. Recently a mag did a Night Vision festure, guess what , one of the most popular items didn't get one word, let alone pics or biased commentary. In all honesty re printed matter they are dinosaurs and heading for extinction. In one un named mag there was appx 100 pages, of which 55 were entirely ads, remaining 45 had some ads . The stories said eg I put on my high tec ..... boots and armed with my new rangefinder , ....latest model ----- you get the gist. Really more advertising. I never buy them now. Prefer to peruse forums , you tube etc.

Appreciate your input.

safe shooting
 
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