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    Richard300
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    Got a few questions.
    If there is a sanctioned shoot. And you have a carbon fiber tank past the 15 year mark can you use it? 
    How long is a hydrostatic test good for.
    If its past the 15 year mark and has had a hydrostatic test and its ok… is that fine?
    How old is to old for a tank?
    Any light on this would subject would sure ease my mind….Thanks again 
     

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    spysir
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     Sanctioned or not ( as in informal non points shoots)  I would say NO.  And or please do not.
    Yes 15 years ( and never abused) is just about the same as 15 years and a week,   and so on.
    Safety is ALWAYS the first rules ( fun second) and an expired tank does not meet accepted safety standards.

     John

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    ztirffritz
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    At age 15 carbon fiber tanks are end of life in the US.  It doesn’t matter about the condition or state of the hydrostatic testing.  If you take it to a professional to be filled they are supposed to disable it permanently. ( i.e. Drill a hole in it.). I don’t know if they have safety inspections at shooting events, but if they did, they’d likely disqualify you for having an out of date tank.

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    REAPER0D
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    Dont take the risk. Injuring yourself is one thing, but risking others safety is always a no go.

    Consider this, as a tank fills the wrapping stretches out and the tank itself expands, the older the tank the weaker they get in theory.

    Now there is a binding glue, the resin holding the tank together as the tank goes through cycles the resin also breaks down minutely, causing tiny tiny tiny micro fractures throughout the tanks wall and structure. Eventually they let go, sometimes slowly leaking out over time. Others exploding violently.

    However the end result can be devastating, you can acoid it and just get another tabk. And if luck is on your side you can get in hydro firetanks on ebay that sometimes can accept the valve from your current tank saving money down the road by re using the valve.

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    Richard300
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    I got a 2004 that has a good hydro test. So its good tell 2019 then its junk…..or there junk I bought 2  …   : )

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    iride
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    I think in Europe (the big pond) they have different  rules for the carbon fiber tanks, Like a 30 year life span,,,
    I could be wrong but I remember reading about there different rules on High pressure tanks…..
    Any one know what I am talking about??????
    Maybe they make better tanks over there???
    Mike 

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    Richard300
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    Intereating I will check that out…thanks mike

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    dodge3500
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    Scott air packs have 30 year tanks. I don’t know if anyone besides fire/rescue services could even buy one.
    Here’s a little info on just how strong the 4500 psi tanks really are.

    The burst pressure for the tri-dimensional burst disk used in the Scott is 4800 psi. Carbon composite cylinders are made up of an aluminum alloy inner shell with carbon composite wraps and epoxy resin. They have a burst pressure of 12,000 psi, 6,500 without the carbon composite wrap

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    Richard300
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    dodge3500 thanks for the lesson,,, I didnt know that. Thanks for the info… Richard

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    BigTinBoat
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    “dodge3500”Scott air packs have 30 year tanks. I don’t know if anyone besides fire/rescue services could even buy one.
    Here’s a little info on just how strong the 4500 psi tanks really are.

     

    
Interspiro actually has 15, 30 and NLL (Non-limited Life) tank. Not sure how this correlates with current DOT regs, but looks like the NLL might only be valid in EU, not the US (for now)

    http://www.interspiro.com/FireFighting/31126-03/COMPOSITE-CYLINDERS-br-ALUMINIUM-LINER-br.aspx

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    dodge3500
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    Rules are rules and expired tanks will not get recertification after 15 years but does that actually make the tank bad or dangerous?(in my opinion) the government could easily raise the lifespan to 20 or even 30 years with proper inspection and testing or even lowering the psi capacity a little each year over 15 .the saftey factor is nearly 3 to 1 ,4500 psi working to a 12000 burst psi.

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    BigTinBoat

    “dodge3500”Scott air packs have 30 year tanks. I don’t know if anyone besides fire/rescue services could even buy one.
    Here’s a little info on just how strong the 4500 psi tanks really are.

     

    
Interspiro actually has 15, 30 and NLL (Non-limited Life) tank. Not sure how this correlates with current DOT regs, but looks like the NLL might only be valid in EU, not the US (for now)

    http://www.interspiro.com/FireFighting/31126-03/COMPOSITE-CYLINDERS-br-ALUMINIUM-LINER-br.aspx


    Oooh man oooh man would a nll tank be sweet for sure.:)

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    Richard300
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    This is interesting to learn all of this… thanks richard

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    ztirffritz
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    There are some significant differences between the 15 and 30 year CF tanks.  The 30 year CF tanks cost much more and have more mass than the 15 year tanks.  The 15 year tanks might last longer than 15 years, but you can’t legally get them tested to make sure that they’re safe.  Considering that you can get a used one on eBay for less than $200 that’s still valid and can be tested, it isn’t worth the risk in my opinion to stretch out the life of the tank past it’s legal life span.  The bottles are labeled with their Date of Manufacture.  Make sure that you do your due diligence before putting the tank into service and treat them with respect.

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