Can the Leyla shoot slugs
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If it's the same weight and diameter as the pellets you shoot, they will work. In the worse case, you may have to shoot them single shot due to their greater length. You can expect some velocity loss if you have to go a grain or two heavier than pellets you are using now.
I never understood the fuss about "slugs".....At the same weight, a slug is just a lead pellet with straight sides.
Hoot
I never understood the fuss about "slugs".....At the same weight, a slug is just a lead pellet with straight sides.
Hoot
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NSA .22 27gr (.217) shoot great out of my Leshiy, 350mm barrel at 40-45 yards... No chance to try them at greater distance yet...
just my .02
Ken
just my .02
Ken
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Aside from higher BC, I would expect the higher lateral sectional density means they are more resistant to being "steered" by wind.
Flip side of that coin is you are essentially building an air powered rimfire but with more expensive ammunition.....*shrug* different strokes for different flavors of legislative oppression.
Flip side of that coin is you are essentially building an air powered rimfire but with more expensive ammunition.....*shrug* different strokes for different flavors of legislative oppression.
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I remain unconvinced, gentlemen! Perhaps in caliber .257, shooting at distances greater than 200 yards, at higher velocities than normally used with pellets, such factors as ballistic coefficients, lateral sectional density, wind factors, temperature, humidity (atmospheric density) are a measurable factor, but at -100 meter distances and subsonic muzzle velocities...I maintain there is no gain in performance worthy of the extra cost!
Until someone molds a ballistic tip, boat-tail, lead or composite slug, any increase in performance at identical pellet/slug velocities/weights is insignificant at the distances the average pcp shooter utilizes.
The guys who shot the purpose-built .257 air guns years ago might have some useful input on this subject from experience. Roachcreek was one of the first forum members experimenting with high performance slug air guns years ago. Those guys were using ultra-long barrels, custom slugs, and insane distances!
Otherwise, I maintain my position that slugs are fun to shoot, but any increase in performance, over pellets of a similar weight and caliber, would be measured in units too small to be worthy of serious consideration in accuracy, impact energy, or trajectory variations at -100 meters.
To my knowledge, these factors have never been measured or documented. Again, in today's market, the current design of slugs and pellets makes no difference in performance worthy of the greater cost of slugs. When a Sierra hollow-point, boat tailed, two centimeter long, composite slug is produced, then various ballistic factors will begin to have measurable performance improvements...but even then, these improvements will come at a serious increase in price.
I first shot slugs back in 2007, and I shoot them today, with my H&N Barracuda 31gr pellets, the H&N 31gr Grizzly slugs, along with the custom poured privately produced slugs. I love shooting slugs, along with my heavy pellets...but at the end of the day, critters are just as dead, and a five shot, single hole group, is a single hole group at any distance, regardless of what made that hole.
It is possible not everyone agrees with me! Well then...speak up!!!
Regards,
Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot
Until someone molds a ballistic tip, boat-tail, lead or composite slug, any increase in performance at identical pellet/slug velocities/weights is insignificant at the distances the average pcp shooter utilizes.
The guys who shot the purpose-built .257 air guns years ago might have some useful input on this subject from experience. Roachcreek was one of the first forum members experimenting with high performance slug air guns years ago. Those guys were using ultra-long barrels, custom slugs, and insane distances!
Otherwise, I maintain my position that slugs are fun to shoot, but any increase in performance, over pellets of a similar weight and caliber, would be measured in units too small to be worthy of serious consideration in accuracy, impact energy, or trajectory variations at -100 meters.
To my knowledge, these factors have never been measured or documented. Again, in today's market, the current design of slugs and pellets makes no difference in performance worthy of the greater cost of slugs. When a Sierra hollow-point, boat tailed, two centimeter long, composite slug is produced, then various ballistic factors will begin to have measurable performance improvements...but even then, these improvements will come at a serious increase in price.
I first shot slugs back in 2007, and I shoot them today, with my H&N Barracuda 31gr pellets, the H&N 31gr Grizzly slugs, along with the custom poured privately produced slugs. I love shooting slugs, along with my heavy pellets...but at the end of the day, critters are just as dead, and a five shot, single hole group, is a single hole group at any distance, regardless of what made that hole.
It is possible not everyone agrees with me! Well then...speak up!!!
Regards,
Kindly 'Ol Uncle Hoot
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My Lelya shoots jsb 18 grain so well that I never really tried. I also believe that even the 19 grain NSA will be effecting shot count too much . (To shoot slugs I would want them considerably heavier and faster).
My R5M long shoots slugs better than pellets. Believe me, there is a difference between the too. Pellets are good for the old era of shooting (close range), now that new era of advanced airguns, scopes, bipod, power, tuning has reached us- Slugs are need to match the rest of the equipment.
My R5M long shoots slugs better than pellets. Believe me, there is a difference between the too. Pellets are good for the old era of shooting (close range), now that new era of advanced airguns, scopes, bipod, power, tuning has reached us- Slugs are need to match the rest of the equipment.
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" ...now that new era of advanced airguns, scopes, bipod, power, tuning has reached us- Slugs are need to match the rest of the equipment."
You are absolutely correct! There are precious few forum members, if any, that can produce a shot group that today's pcp air guns are capable of. Gone are the days when we ordered BSA, CZ, and LW barrel blanks and had our favorite machinists fit them to our action blocks and tossed our OEM barrels into the trash, or onto the TAG and Yellow Classifieds.
However, the question still lies unanswered...do slugs really make a difference? A significant, measurable difference? Is "Distance" the real factor? General knowledge has always held that over 100 meters/yards, slugs seem to fly true, while pellets tend to wander off.
Hoot
You are absolutely correct! There are precious few forum members, if any, that can produce a shot group that today's pcp air guns are capable of. Gone are the days when we ordered BSA, CZ, and LW barrel blanks and had our favorite machinists fit them to our action blocks and tossed our OEM barrels into the trash, or onto the TAG and Yellow Classifieds.
However, the question still lies unanswered...do slugs really make a difference? A significant, measurable difference? Is "Distance" the real factor? General knowledge has always held that over 100 meters/yards, slugs seem to fly true, while pellets tend to wander off.
Hoot
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@Hoot
The OP ask a pretty specific question about folks experiences with slugs in the Lelya platform. Your comments seem of a more general nature..just sayin'.
If you want to make a new thread on "do slugs really make a difference?", I'll join that discussion. ;-)
The OP ask a pretty specific question about folks experiences with slugs in the Lelya platform. Your comments seem of a more general nature..just sayin'.
If you want to make a new thread on "do slugs really make a difference?", I'll join that discussion. ;-)
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Ouch..!
Ibc - NOT that big a deal. Hoot is offering good information to..."everyone", including the original poster..!
Mike
Ibc - NOT that big a deal. Hoot is offering good information to..."everyone", including the original poster..!
Mike
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Enjoying both sides of the conversation. I guess I asked IF the Leyla could do it, but maybe I should be asking do I care if it can? I have a lot of powder burners and several powder burner suppressors, but live in a high end subdivision. I have about 30 acres of open ground behind my house that butts up to a creek, and then another 20 or so acres. I can hunt, but I have to be VERY discreet. Wouldn't mind having the ability to buck the wind and lay 'em down better (up to coyote size). Only thing worse than missing is creating an injured cat/dog hunter in a wounded animal. FWIW, I do have a Verminator Extreme MK II (.25), a .25 Warcat, and a Wildcat MKII .30. While I have a .22 Woodswalker pistol and a .22 Streamline, I would not use them.
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HI all I would Like to say I am a .257 slug shooter I shot them and .22 and 25 cal slugs for decades , In a ,257 I am shooting very precise a long way out and they are capable of taking coyotes 250m and beyond ,
I make slugs for my ,22 and 25 and .30 guns and have taken coyotes with my slugs 1 shot 1 kill in .22 to 30 caliber l use my slugs to shoot and cleanly kill my game 1 shot. I can take out a coyote with a small 22 like my edgun R5m long with my 36 gr MP slug ,about 68fpe energy up to about 75 yards , MY Edgun R5 30 cal super long shooting my 52 gr at 910fps about 95fpe can kill coyotes out to 150 yds, and if I need to reach past this I use my .257 , I like my 73 gr about 190fpe can kill a coyote out to 250m
But on the other side I do see alot of people shooting very light hollow point slugs on small birds , I do not do this I do use pellets for stuff like this ,
I only hunt with slugs when reaching out or bigger game ,
I find no improvement with slug accuracy with in 100 yards for me , it is beyond I see a difference .
as far as leshiy with slugs , It is not a slug gun , not really worth it
you wont see any advantage with a slug in anything like this .
LOU
I make slugs for my ,22 and 25 and .30 guns and have taken coyotes with my slugs 1 shot 1 kill in .22 to 30 caliber l use my slugs to shoot and cleanly kill my game 1 shot. I can take out a coyote with a small 22 like my edgun R5m long with my 36 gr MP slug ,about 68fpe energy up to about 75 yards , MY Edgun R5 30 cal super long shooting my 52 gr at 910fps about 95fpe can kill coyotes out to 150 yds, and if I need to reach past this I use my .257 , I like my 73 gr about 190fpe can kill a coyote out to 250m
But on the other side I do see alot of people shooting very light hollow point slugs on small birds , I do not do this I do use pellets for stuff like this ,
I only hunt with slugs when reaching out or bigger game ,
I find no improvement with slug accuracy with in 100 yards for me , it is beyond I see a difference .
as far as leshiy with slugs , It is not a slug gun , not really worth it
you wont see any advantage with a slug in anything like this .
LOU
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That’s what I was afraid of. I just like the compactness of the Leyla and the forward cocking. Not sure my WC in .30 has the lungs for it, and I’d still need a slug barrel. I may have to wait until the market develops. I’m sure as more hunters want it, the manufacturers will respond. Thanks for all the replies.
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Just under 900 FPS... I could only shoot to 40-45 yards safely, didn't change any of my settings for shooting JSB 18s at 930... I know, not very scientific, I have to admit, but the NSAs shot straight with only a slight drop in POI with no changes to my scope... After adjusting, they are very accurate, and placed exactly where I aimed... I only bought several hundred to experiment with, so far... Dead Nuts...
Ken
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