BSA?

No correction you're correct. Gamo has controlling interest in BSA. 

Gamo has owned BSA for about 20 years. To their credit, Gamo left them alone for the first ten years before decimating the historic company and incorporating some models into their own inventory. Plus, they still use some of BSAs fine barrels. But the days of John Bowkett designs, walnut from Custom Stocks, and, polished blued steel are gone forever.

I haven't seen a real decline in performance of the actual gun. I recently shot the new r10 and it's still a good gun. 

Use to own a R10. Great gun but they are a little bit behind the times from FX and Kalibrgun. The only thing I can see different about the SE version is the shroud. I sold mine at a big lost because there are other guns just as good but cost less. And the guns that are the same price have more power. I wish I still had my R10 but I couldn't increase the power which would allow me to shoot heavier pellets or slugs.

Now that is the one thing I see as well. BSA is behind the current tunable guns and the cost is still high. But they are still solid guns for sure.

Would agree that BSA is MILKING it ... All the Scorpion versions, Ultra's, Gold Star's and R-10 ALL ARE BASED off the same basic firing mechanics, Receivers and valves & hammers.

Only the gauge blocks, sub plenums or regulators, air tank length or type separate them mechanically. Stocks of course are all over the place with differing models.

Really nothing new, but similar to Harley Davidson motorcycles ... change up the paint, add some bling, make a few changes here and there and call it a new model.



Please don't shoot the messenger ....

Slapping lipstick on a pig lol.

Slapping lipstick on a pig lol.

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Hog actually ... Lol

BSA - very nice gun ,for 10 years ago. minimal changes and limited power output are holding them back. but they sure do CHARGE enough for their R10 SE.

I worked on the design on the BSA Goldstar , I wanted them to make an HFT gun , It was hard as hell to get them to make it , Simon Morre ( the Top man at the time ) agreed and we made it a few prototypes and then once we sorted what we wanted it was a great seller seller . It was a cracking gun and only really let down by the Reg , barrel was bang on . Simon then moved on to other stuff and then another guy took over, He did not want to go down the target line and wanted to stick to hunting because that's where they started ?? Shame that really , the Goldstar is / was a great gun and I think they should have stuck their necks out a bit , Sadly does not look like it will happen . O well . 





Rog 

My Buccaneer has a split personality. On one hand the barrel is super accurate and works with several different pellets. On the other hand, the fill valve is the cheapest plastic piece of crap I've ever seen and doesn't even have an O-ring. It's a constant battle to get it to seal well. I assume it's the same as the Urban fill valve as it's the same action with a longer air tube and barrel.

My Buccaneer has a split personality. On one hand the barrel is super accurate and works with several different pellets. On the other hand, the fill valve is the cheapest plastic piece of crap I've ever seen and doesn't even have an O-ring. It's a constant battle to get it to seal well. I assume it's the same as the Urban fill valve as it's the same action with a longer air tube and barrel.

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You say that the fill valve is plastic? I think that you are referring to the dust cover. The fill valve is brass and should indeed have an O-ring between it and the tube. If that is missing it will leak like a sieve. If the valve is leaking from the probe hole, it will need to be disassembled and cleaned. The gun seems to have one design fault. Mine will break it's cocking pin every 2000 or so, shots. The Buccaneer is not a true BSA but is as accurate as any high-end gun, with the right pellets. Unfortunately, apart from the barrel, it is more Gamo than BSA.

Nope, I am absolutely positive my fill valve is plastic. It looks looks an extruded "X" with a point that is flat like a kids Lego block. Mine had no O-ring at all, but I did buy the gun used, so they might be different now.

There is a plastic part inside the fill valve but it is only a cage and does not do the sealing. You need to disassemble the whole thing until you get to the filter and clean all the parts thoroughly. I only had a problem with mine when using a hand pump. It has been trouble-free since I've been using a tank.

Next time you open yours up, please send me a picture of the parts used in yours so I can update my fill valve. Mine has the one shown at 2:50 in the XTX video.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8c7AfZL3ko

Mine is 4 years old and the same as yours and the video. What the video doesn't show is the disassembly of the inner brass plug. You might need to use your probe to use compressed air to remove that inner brass sleeve from the valve body. There is a sintered brass filter under that plug. After cleaning lightly lube before reassembling. The actual sealing is made by that brass sleeve sliding up and down in the valve body. The plastic part does not seal the valve, its just part of the spring assembly. The first time mine leaked I took it apart like the video but couldn't stop the leak. I didn't want to scratch anything so voiding the warranty. I sent the gun back and they replaced the whole valve. The problem returned not long after and I decided to properly break it down and do what I just explained and it's been good since. May I ask if you are using a handpump? I believe that it was it that lead to the leak.