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    kmd1984
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    Let me see if I get this right?! The first Bobcat looked like the Indy (as seen in the video posted below). It was practically the “same” gun as the Indy, and had 3 power levels as well, right?!
    The “second” Bobcat, or MK1 (I guess), looks like the MK2, but had three power levels as well, correct?
    The current Bobcat is the MK2, and it has “only” two power levels?

    Is that correct?

    If so, what do I call the “first generation” one? First Gen???

    Thanks,

    Kmd

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    NMshooter
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    I believe what is in that video was a prototype of the rifle for Ted to review. After his review he suggested they change the stock and he helped design it. There are some of these original styles out there but I don’t believe there are many. The change to the current stock happened near the very beginning of the introduction of that rifle.
    Not sure what to actually call the original version. 

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    kmd1984
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    Prototype, huh!? No wonder I find no info on the “original” one…

    What about the power adjustment!? I remember reading somewhere, that someone (probably Ted), tested the Bobcat’s power level 2, but didn’t bother testing 1. But I don’t remember (and obviously can’t find it again), which Bobcat it was. The “Prototype”, MK1 or MK2.

    Thanks man.

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    Vudongthoai
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    I have the MK2 in .25cal. It have 2 power.
    I think MK1 have 3 power. To be honest, I don’t ever use the power 1 on mine, I make sure they are tight and use power 2 only.
    Vu

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    kmd1984
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    Finally the answer I was looking for! : )

    Have you done any chrono testing on power level two buy any chance!?

    Thanks,

    Kmd

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    weatherby
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    I suppose they are mixed up all the way:)

    The current Royale series in full power .25 versions seen in NL/Be have mostly 2 power settings.
    However I have owned Swedish 10 joule .25 versions of the Bobcat MKII and a R500 black pepper, which both had 3 power settings.
    I currently own a full power .177 R400 field target, and that one also has got 3 power settings.
    Never seen a .177 or .22 Royale/Bobcat with only 2 power settings, I think it’s a .25 thing only.

    Kind regards,

    Gijs

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    Vudongthoai
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    You can check out the thread of mine month ago. 
    /topic/how-to-tune-a-bobcat-mk2-25-cal/
    Basically, AoA told me it was 877fps out of the box, but I got around 860s even with the LDC or FX stackable. 
    After I send to AoA to check out the problem of POI shift (under warranty …now the velocity is a little faster.
    906fps with JSB Exact 25.39gr
    794fps with JSB Heavy 33.95gr
    Both pellets are really accurate, the Heavy is slower…but it hole on hole at 50yrs.
    Hope it help u out!!!

    Vu

     

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    fr8rbum747
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    I ran a chronograph test on my 25 cal Bobcat MK 2 after reading this article.  It has two power levels, regulated at 140 BAR / about 2000 psi, and I was shooting JSB 25.39 Pellets.
    The rifle was filled to 230 BAR and I shot down to the 140 BAR regulated pressure.

    Power Level 1: 139 shots / 656 high / 645 low / 649 avg / 3.0 sd / 11 es 
    Power Level 2:  84 shots / 887 high / 870 low / 878 avg / 3.6 sd / 15 es
     
    These are virtually the same numbers I got when I took the rifle out of the box 1 year ago.  I have run 18 tins of 350 through the rifle since new and can not be more pleased with this Air Rifle.  It took some practice but with the chair gun data I consistently pull down sub 1 inch groupings on targets and have not missed many rodents and vermin.  Wind is the biggest challenge especially when you start making the longer shots from 50 yards to beyond 100 yards.

    Hope that helps.  
     

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    AZBOBCAT
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    Mk1 stock is pistol grip mk2 stock is thumbhole. One is the video is Mk1 Bobcat. I prefer the feel of the Mk1 over the bulky feeling mk2.older Mk1 and Mk2 regarding was option. Also some airtube length differences on some .FX is not very good at standardization. Lots of parts they switch around like shroud and end caps.

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    kmd1984
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    “weatherby”I suppose they are mixed up all the way:)

    The current Royale series in full power .25 versions seen in NL/Be have mostly 2 power settings.
    However I have owned Swedish 10 joule .25 versions of the Bobcat MKII and a R500 black pepper, which both had 3 power settings.
    I currently own a full power .177 R400 field target, and that one also has got 3 power settings.
    Never seen a .177 or .22 Royale/Bobcat with only 2 power settings, I think it’s a .25 thing only.

    Kind regards,

    Gijs

    
NL/BE as in Netherlands and Belgium???
    Interesting that the versions vary from country to country. Anyhow, can you “upgrade” a 10 joule gun to a 45 joule gun, by simply changing the regulator?! (Assuming that that is how they lower the power?).
    Now that you are mentioning it, I remember reading something about it as well. .25 only comes with two power settings and the .177/.22 in three. At least here in the USA, I guess…

    Thank,

    Kmd

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    kmd1984
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    “Vudongthoai”You can check out the thread of mine month ago. 
    /topic/how-to-tune-a-bobcat-mk2-25-cal/
    Basically, AoA told me it was 877fps out of the box, but I got around 860s even with the LDC or FX stackable. 
    After I send to AoA to check out the problem of POI shift (under warranty …now the velocity is a little faster.
    906fps with JSB Exact 25.39gr
    794fps with JSB Heavy 33.95gr
    Both pellets are really accurate, the Heavy is slower…but it hole on hole at 50yrs.
    Hope it help u out!!!

    Vu

     

    
I will take a look at your thread later… Thanks.

    Confused… Are those the velocities for the lower power setting? I doubt that…

    Thanks,

    Kmd

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    kmd1984
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    “fr8rbum747”I ran a chronograph test on my 25 cal Bobcat MK 2 after reading this article.  It has two power levels, regulated at 140 BAR / about 2000 psi, and I was shooting JSB 25.39 Pellets.
    The rifle was filled to 230 BAR and I shot down to the 140 BAR regulated pressure.

    Power Level 1: 139 shots / 656 high / 645 low / 649 avg / 3.0 sd / 11 es 
    Power Level 2:  84 shots / 887 high / 870 low / 878 avg / 3.6 sd / 15 es
     
    These are virtually the same numbers I got when I took the rifle out of the box 1 year ago.  I have run 18 tins of 350 through the rifle since new and can not be more pleased with this Air Rifle.  It took some practice but with the chair gun data I consistently pull down sub 1 inch groupings on targets and have not missed many rodents and vermin.  Wind is the biggest challenge especially when you start making the longer shots from 50 yards to beyond 100 yards.

    Hope that helps.  
     

    
”Hope that helps?” Are you kidding me?! YES! I did help! LOL. You are the man! Seriously, I really appreciate you taking the time to do this!!!

    That said. We now that the MK2 has two power settings and what kind of results you get using the lower one. That is awesome!

    I agree. Wind is the most challenging thing when shooting longer distances. 

    Thanks again!

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    kmd1984
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    “AZBOBCAT”Mk1 stock is pistol grip mk2 stock is thumbhole. One is the video is Mk1 Bobcat. I prefer the feel of the Mk1 over the bulky feeling mk2.older Mk1 and Mk2 regarding was option. Also some airtube length differences on some .FX is not very good at standardization. Lots of parts they switch around like shroud and end caps.

    
I am going to have to decipher your post first and then I get back to you… : )

    Thanks.

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    NMshooter
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    “kmd1984”Prototype, huh!? 

    
Maybe prototype isn’t the correct term, but just like the Impact, he was one of the first in the US to have a Bobcat and FX changed the stock right away. 

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    Vudongthoai
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    “kmd1984”

    “Vudongthoai”You can check out the thread of mine month ago. 
    /topic/how-to-tune-a-bobcat-mk2-25-cal/
    Basically, AoA told me it was 877fps out of the box, but I got around 860s even with the LDC or FX stackable. 
    After I send to AoA to check out the problem of POI shift (under warranty …now the velocity is a little faster.
    906fps with JSB Exact 25.39gr
    794fps with JSB Heavy 33.95gr
    Both pellets are really accurate, the Heavy is slower…but it hole on hole at 50yrs.
    Hope it help u out!!!

    Vu

     

    
I will take a look at your thread later… Thanks.

    Confused… Are those the velocities for the lower power setting? I doubt that…

    Thanks,

    Kmd

    
That’s the power 2…it seem low, but I never use power 1.
    Vu

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    kmd1984
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    “NMshooter”

    “kmd1984”Prototype, huh!? 

    
Maybe prototype isn’t the correct term, but just like the Impact, he was one of the first in the US to have a Bobcat and FX changed the stock right away. 

    
I see…

    I wish they would have left the stock the same as the Indy’s. And of course left three instead of two power levels (on the .25). But I guess you cannot have it all.

    Thanks.

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    “Vudongthoai”

    “kmd1984”

    “Vudongthoai”You can check out the thread of mine month ago. 
    /topic/how-to-tune-a-bobcat-mk2-25-cal/
    Basically, AoA told me it was 877fps out of the box, but I got around 860s even with the LDC or FX stackable. 
    After I send to AoA to check out the problem of POI shift (under warranty …now the velocity is a little faster.
    906fps with JSB Exact 25.39gr
    794fps with JSB Heavy 33.95gr
    Both pellets are really accurate, the Heavy is slower…but it hole on hole at 50yrs.
    Hope it help u out!!!

    Vu

     

    
I will take a look at your thread later… Thanks.

    Confused… Are those the velocities for the lower power setting? I doubt that…

    Thanks,

    Kmd

    
That’s the power 2…it seem low, but I never use power 1.
    Vu

    
I realized that after someone had posted velocities of power level 1… thanks.

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    kmd1984
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    Quick question… Does the Bobcat with two power levels have a two and one dot on the power wheel or a three and two?

    Thanks.

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    Vudongthoai
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    Power 2 have two dots.
    Power 1 have one dot.
    Vu

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    kmd1984
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    “Vudongthoai”Power 2 have two dots.
    Power 1 have one dot.
    Vu

    
Vu,

    I figured, but I just wanted to double check! Thanks a lot!!!

    Kmd

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