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Big Benjamin Armada Problems
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and it turns out i have been putting the front support / barrel band on backwards. although this does not fix the issue
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My Armada came from PA the same way. I had them test fire and crony it when I ordered it. Shoots great, just looks funny.
I agree though, it does look hinkey but it performs well.
I agree though, it does look hinkey but it performs well.
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I'd like to know if the OP's armada is still shooting well. I bought my 22 armada a few months ago from the AGN. I only shoot 20-25 yards. At first the gun shoots sub 0.5" inches all-day with the Crosman Domed. After a month, the gun opened up to about 1 inch. I've taken the gun apart to realign the barrel and set screws, and tried to find the magic tweak to make it shoot sub 0.5" again.
After about the 3rd time of disassembly and reassembly, the gun sometimes shoots 0.5" for a few shots and then get a flyer or two. I find myself rezeroing often. I found that tightening the shroud all the way does pull the barrel to the right. I've shooting with shroud tighted and not tighten, and it seems I get the shot behavior. Just when I thought I finally got it dialed in, the gun shoots a flyer or the POI shifts. It's so frustrating with this gun because it shot so well the first month.
I think the inconsistent shot behavior is inherent to the maurader/armada design. I think I have a good 22 barrel because when it shoots well, it seems to be spot on; until something shifts in the gun. I thought about getting the MMHF barrel, but at $200, and you have to constantly clean it, I think I'd rather save for different gun.
I have a 22 Condor SS that will shoot 0.22 consistently at 25 yards. So it's hard to pick up the armada for pest control when it's not dependable. I just don't know what the armada is going to do.
Any ideas?
After about the 3rd time of disassembly and reassembly, the gun sometimes shoots 0.5" for a few shots and then get a flyer or two. I find myself rezeroing often. I found that tightening the shroud all the way does pull the barrel to the right. I've shooting with shroud tighted and not tighten, and it seems I get the shot behavior. Just when I thought I finally got it dialed in, the gun shoots a flyer or the POI shifts. It's so frustrating with this gun because it shot so well the first month.
I think the inconsistent shot behavior is inherent to the maurader/armada design. I think I have a good 22 barrel because when it shoots well, it seems to be spot on; until something shifts in the gun. I thought about getting the MMHF barrel, but at $200, and you have to constantly clean it, I think I'd rather save for different gun.
I have a 22 Condor SS that will shoot 0.22 consistently at 25 yards. So it's hard to pick up the armada for pest control when it's not dependable. I just don't know what the armada is going to do.
Any ideas?
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What pellets are you using stoner?
With the .22 gen 1 gun, it was pretty much a hole in hole gun at 20 yards with a flyer every 25 or 30 shots.
I used Crosman Prem, 14.3 for 7 years, extremely accurate.
Using the new, shiny Crosman Prem, my accuracy suffered with about the same results as yours.
Experiment with different pellets, try AA or JSB pellets.
If that doesn't work than think about the MM barrel.
My Armada is a 25 cal and i use the JSB 18 pellets and it is a hole in hole gun out to 25 yards and a half inch at 50 and a 3/4 at 75.
Try different pellets.
With the .22 gen 1 gun, it was pretty much a hole in hole gun at 20 yards with a flyer every 25 or 30 shots.
I used Crosman Prem, 14.3 for 7 years, extremely accurate.
Using the new, shiny Crosman Prem, my accuracy suffered with about the same results as yours.
Experiment with different pellets, try AA or JSB pellets.
If that doesn't work than think about the MM barrel.
My Armada is a 25 cal and i use the JSB 18 pellets and it is a hole in hole gun out to 25 yards and a half inch at 50 and a 3/4 at 75.
Try different pellets.
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First off theres no barrel band used in the armada setup. The forearm on many is slightly pushed to one side making it look like the shroud is pushed to one side but its not. As long as the forearm isnt off center enough to touch the shroud it should be fine and only a cosmetic issue. You may be able to shim the forearm to make it stay straight if it bothers you that its not centered.
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It will react the same regardless of stock. You will need to try it on your pcp to see what it likes best.
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In my case I have my scope mounted on the forearm so I can have enough room to mount my camera and still shoulder the gun.. having the barrel misaligned with my forearm would through off accuracy....
open link for photo of my armada
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW1AW_hHNIr/?taken-by=urban.airgunner
if you have your scope mounted on the breach block like %99 of people would it is only a cosmetic issue...
BUT crosman did replace my entire gun and it is all lined up now..
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I have a .25 cal armada and Yes it is shooting good still
heres a link to my Instagram and a group I shot 3 days ago - it was a moving group I was adjusting the sights but had I not been it would have been about 1/4" group
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW6OJ-IHEsI/?taken-by=urban.airgunner
I think your problem is different than the one I had..
have you?:
-Checky our scope - is every thing secured/tightend - is the reticule bouncing around in the tube/broken
From reading your post I would think many its a scope issue
then try/see
-are pellets clipping a suppressor?
-pellet test - try JSB's
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X27 I have just purchased a .22 armada at the Crosman All American Field Target Match this past weekend. I have the new barrel being put on the rifles in the new series run. I am about to do a review on it in a post here.
I have the same issue but mine goes to the right slightly. i have already done some modding to the trigger and power and will soon add a reg.
Out of the box and with an inexpensive scope. it is putting pellet on pellet at 30 yards 3.8 CTC to be exact. Now I have removed the shroud and the front frame as well as disassembled the gun. After reassembly, the gun is still shooting the same. I even had a friend try it, and he had the same results...
The barrel is supposed to be free floated and the shroud on mine does not touch the frame anywhere. The mount, (upper left in your photo) hugs the air tube and the aluminum frame is attached to it. I believe you are just seeing the frame a little off to the shroud and not having a bent barrel! Just like mine...
Your groups show that it is straight and if touching somewhere, your POI would be moving around.
It looks like it is a cosmetic thing to me. Trying to shim or heat bend the mount for the frame could be a help. However, personally It is not that noticeable and if it is shooting great I myself would not mess with it. In fact, I came on your post looking for other Armada posts, and did not notice the frame off slightly, until I read it here.
Also they claim it is free floating but when you remove the shroud, there is a spring that sits in front of the barrel end where the baffles butt up to it, Sooo really free floated?
I have spent some time with the engineer that designed the new barrel,s that all their higher end guns are now being equipped with. They have not announced it yet but he assured me the new guns are so equipped, including mine...I can say I am impressed so far.
I have the same issue but mine goes to the right slightly. i have already done some modding to the trigger and power and will soon add a reg.
Out of the box and with an inexpensive scope. it is putting pellet on pellet at 30 yards 3.8 CTC to be exact. Now I have removed the shroud and the front frame as well as disassembled the gun. After reassembly, the gun is still shooting the same. I even had a friend try it, and he had the same results...
The barrel is supposed to be free floated and the shroud on mine does not touch the frame anywhere. The mount, (upper left in your photo) hugs the air tube and the aluminum frame is attached to it. I believe you are just seeing the frame a little off to the shroud and not having a bent barrel! Just like mine...
Your groups show that it is straight and if touching somewhere, your POI would be moving around.
It looks like it is a cosmetic thing to me. Trying to shim or heat bend the mount for the frame could be a help. However, personally It is not that noticeable and if it is shooting great I myself would not mess with it. In fact, I came on your post looking for other Armada posts, and did not notice the frame off slightly, until I read it here.
Also they claim it is free floating but when you remove the shroud, there is a spring that sits in front of the barrel end where the baffles butt up to it, Sooo really free floated?
I have spent some time with the engineer that designed the new barrel,s that all their higher end guns are now being equipped with. They have not announced it yet but he assured me the new guns are so equipped, including mine...I can say I am impressed so far.
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Strikfast
Like you I came to the conclusion that the barrel was strait and the forearm was being pulled off center and as long as you mount your optics on the breach block you will not notice any accuracy issues
the problem that I had is since I mounted my scope of the tactical forearm rail which was off center to the barrel (I do this so I can mount a camera and still shoulder the gun)
my scope would be looking at a angle off to the right and the barrel and pellet would be going strait. so when sighted in at 40 yards there would only be one point where the pellet and scope were lined up perfect and at any other range the pellet would be either left or right of the crosshairs..
Like you I came to the conclusion that the barrel was strait and the forearm was being pulled off center and as long as you mount your optics on the breach block you will not notice any accuracy issues
the problem that I had is since I mounted my scope of the tactical forearm rail which was off center to the barrel (I do this so I can mount a camera and still shoulder the gun)
my scope would be looking at a angle off to the right and the barrel and pellet would be going strait. so when sighted in at 40 yards there would only be one point where the pellet and scope were lined up perfect and at any other range the pellet would be either left or right of the crosshairs..
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Opps, I read that, but did not realize you posted it. Old man schnitt.
After looking at it, The way that could make it come back in line would be to sand away the opposite side of the mount & raill from the off angle.
By that, I mean if it leans left, then back at the right side edge, behind the the 2 Allen screws, sand lightly on the entire edge. Both the alum frame edge and the interior mount would need to be done together.
It is only off a slight bit so I would not sand heavy, and take the time to ck the fit often. Remember the Carpenters code of cutting wood......You can always take more off, but you can't put it back on.
Now this is just and idea, and not what I have done that worked.
You could also try mounting a separate long picatinny rail above the breech that would accomadate the scope and camera.
That would allow you to use the breech for keeping all straight. Your scope would be a little higher, but personally I like my head as vertical as possibke when shooting....
After looking at it, The way that could make it come back in line would be to sand away the opposite side of the mount & raill from the off angle.
By that, I mean if it leans left, then back at the right side edge, behind the the 2 Allen screws, sand lightly on the entire edge. Both the alum frame edge and the interior mount would need to be done together.
It is only off a slight bit so I would not sand heavy, and take the time to ck the fit often. Remember the Carpenters code of cutting wood......You can always take more off, but you can't put it back on.
Now this is just and idea, and not what I have done that worked.
You could also try mounting a separate long picatinny rail above the breech that would accomadate the scope and camera.
That would allow you to use the breech for keeping all straight. Your scope would be a little higher, but personally I like my head as vertical as possibke when shooting....
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X27,
Thanks for your tip. I tighten the screws on the scope and seems it improved consistency. It's really hard to tell. I think it needs more shooting time. I have an x-sight with a rail bridge attached.
Will shoot some more and post pictures.
Thanks for your tip. I tighten the screws on the scope and seems it improved consistency. It's really hard to tell. I think it needs more shooting time. I have an x-sight with a rail bridge attached.
Will shoot some more and post pictures.
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Here is a series of 5 shot groups from 3000 to 2000 psi. As you can see it's awful. Shot string looks healthy to me going from 800 to about 825 fps. Attached also are photos of the gun. At this rate it is just not dependable for pest control.
I tightened the scope as suggested and it's still shooting like this. Any other ideas?
Name: Armada
Shots: 40
Average: 817 FPS
SD: 9 FPS
Min: 794 FPS Max: 829 FPS Spread: 35 FPS
I tightened the scope as suggested and it's still shooting like this. Any other ideas?
Name: Armada
Shots: 40
Average: 817 FPS
SD: 9 FPS
Min: 794 FPS Max: 829 FPS Spread: 35 FPS
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X27. Go to Amazon .com and type in picatinny scope rail bridge in their search engine. It will show the ones they have. 12 slot was all I saw in low and other configurations. You may need to use a short and a long to get your camera setup on...
Stonewinst, you might have an issue if that is the best grouping you are getting at 20 yards.... First thing I notice on your rifle is the very small amount of contact your scope has to the rail. It may be creating a slight movement when shooting.
I'm not familiar with the scope you have on there. Is the silver bar coming out from the scope attached to the scope? anything attached to it, and how far does it extend?
Most times when the POI is moving around at the POA, something is loose like the barrel grub screws, etc. Another reason can be the barrel hitting a barrel band.
Barrell bands hitting the barrel or shroud in some cases for it. You can check with the Armada to see if you are clipping the baffles by unscrewing the shroud end cap. Then pop the baffles out and the spring.
inspect each baffle to see if any are getting hit by the pellets. It will be very small nicks on the inside of the baffle. If none put the spring in first and then the baffles. Simple to do.
Your bottom rt group looked good except the flyer.
Fromm what you show in groups,
to me, looks like a pellet issue.
I see you are using Crosman Primers... Have you exhausted all pellets to find
"the one"?
It is amazing what a barrel prefers. I can tell you a barrel either likes or hates those Crosman pellets...Period! I don't have a rifle in my stable that shoots those hard ass pellets! None!
Try getting a tin of the Air Arms 18 grain diablo pellets. Or JSB 18's. I find the AA's best In just about any gun i put them in. .
Hope this helps....
Stonewinst, you might have an issue if that is the best grouping you are getting at 20 yards.... First thing I notice on your rifle is the very small amount of contact your scope has to the rail. It may be creating a slight movement when shooting.
I'm not familiar with the scope you have on there. Is the silver bar coming out from the scope attached to the scope? anything attached to it, and how far does it extend?
Most times when the POI is moving around at the POA, something is loose like the barrel grub screws, etc. Another reason can be the barrel hitting a barrel band.
Barrell bands hitting the barrel or shroud in some cases for it. You can check with the Armada to see if you are clipping the baffles by unscrewing the shroud end cap. Then pop the baffles out and the spring.
inspect each baffle to see if any are getting hit by the pellets. It will be very small nicks on the inside of the baffle. If none put the spring in first and then the baffles. Simple to do.
Your bottom rt group looked good except the flyer.
Fromm what you show in groups,
to me, looks like a pellet issue.
I see you are using Crosman Primers... Have you exhausted all pellets to find
"the one"?
It is amazing what a barrel prefers. I can tell you a barrel either likes or hates those Crosman pellets...Period! I don't have a rifle in my stable that shoots those hard ass pellets! None!
Try getting a tin of the Air Arms 18 grain diablo pellets. Or JSB 18's. I find the AA's best In just about any gun i put them in. .
Hope this helps....
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