BEST AIRGUNS
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your title and your question are at odds. Are you asking about the best guns, or the guns that have the most problems? The first answer you got doesn't specify which question it's answering.
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Low-key, it makes sense to you ...but it does not to me.
Title: .BEST AIRGUNS (implied question "what is the best gun made ..")
Question:. Who has the most (meaning the worst) quality control issues? Implied question "who make the worst guns?)
You got a one word answer that could be for the title or for the question. It can't be for both. Please use your outside voice, as we can't hear the voices in your head.
Title: .BEST AIRGUNS (implied question "what is the best gun made ..")
Question:. Who has the most (meaning the worst) quality control issues? Implied question "who make the worst guns?)
You got a one word answer that could be for the title or for the question. It can't be for both. Please use your outside voice, as we can't hear the voices in your head.
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Jim-NM . If you see it as two questions then just answer both ... I don’t understand what all the back-and-forth is about ?
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Well are you looking for FACTS? Or personal OPINIONS?
If FX makes 1,000,000 guns and has QC issues with 1000 of them does that mean AGT is better because they only have 500 guns with QC issues? even though they may have only made 100,000 guns?
You won't get a good answer either way. Seems to me like you are trolling.
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You might also want to specify whether you mean in a certain price category of guns. The low end, mostly chinese airguns are pretty well known for needing a lot of hand holding to shoot right.
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I have 3 FX guns and I have to say they are the pride and joy of my collection! My bobcat 30 dates back 5 years has shot thousands of rounds and still holds air with zero leaks or problems. The impact is perfect and the newest of the batch is the wildcat mk2 compact also no problems. I'm sure if half the people who complain of malfunctions with FX guns were to come clean it would boil down to operator error from improperly trying to adjust or modify their guns, most never read the manual and just start tinkering. It needs to be understood that they are precision instruments and should be treated as such.
It's about time FX is finally given the credit they deserve on this forum for the fine guns they build that bring many hours of pleasure to their owners. I and all the guys I shoot with have always considered them reliable, accurate and good looking ( except maybe the bobcat but its so accurate ya gotta give it a pass ).
Just my 2 cents on the subject cause I;m sick of the FX bashing, half the people doing the bashing don't even own one and never have.
It's about time FX is finally given the credit they deserve on this forum for the fine guns they build that bring many hours of pleasure to their owners. I and all the guys I shoot with have always considered them reliable, accurate and good looking ( except maybe the bobcat but its so accurate ya gotta give it a pass ).
Just my 2 cents on the subject cause I;m sick of the FX bashing, half the people doing the bashing don't even own one and never have.
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Of the airguns that I've owned, AGT Vulcans are the best.
On second thought, make that FX.
Well...I suppose Daystate guns are actually best.
Now that I think about it, Ataman is probably best.
Or maybe my Air Arms air rifle is best.
I, really must test the myriad brands on the market to make an informed decision. Tell ya what, Lowkey, I'll get back to you on this matter -- in a few years, hopefully.
On second thought, make that FX.
Well...I suppose Daystate guns are actually best.
Now that I think about it, Ataman is probably best.
Or maybe my Air Arms air rifle is best.
I, really must test the myriad brands on the market to make an informed decision. Tell ya what, Lowkey, I'll get back to you on this matter -- in a few years, hopefully.
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Of the twelve air guns I've owned in 16 years the only part failure I've experienced while shooting was the safety button on an Air Arms TX200mk3 broke in half. I would vote for Impact Air Guns as the worst Q.C., the RM100 I received, with the exception of the stock, must have been assembled out of "scrap bin" parts! I have four FX's and I'm going to be keeping them!
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I haven’t owned a bad one: AA, Daystate, FX, or Steyr.
My best one is my Steyr Hunter Scout.
My best one is my Steyr Hunter Scout.
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Haven’t bought a Best Airgun yet, so far I like all my airguns and as far as the Worst airgun or airgun with the worst quality control I have not been there yet either but I’m fairly new to airguns, only two years into it and have had maybe 14 airguns so far, still have nine.
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I own two Daystates, a Brocock and two FX rifles. I've had issues with both Daystates and the Brocock, while both FX have been totally trouble free.
But others may well have had the exact opposite experience.
But others may well have had the exact opposite experience.
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I fail to see why someone always claims FX has QC problems. When one puts out revolutionary guns, yes, there may be a break-in problem or two. To countere any minor problems, FX does stand behind their guns. Having said that, Umarex doesn't seem to hesitate to send out problems. I know someone will say, but that's a $300 gun compared to a $1500 gun, but that to me doesn't make much difference. It is quality product or it isn't. It's Binary.
Kind of like when you look at Consumer Reports for problems with Cars. I think they'll admit that consumer expectations skew the results. Expectations for GM, Ford, and Chrysler are lower than expectations for Toyota, Honda, Nissan. So when people see an issue, much more likely to report it and get vocal, where GM owners are much more likely to put up with and just except it. Having said that, look at the reports and you'll find that Toyota, Honda and Nissan still outscore GM and Ford on the quality scale year after year.
I think you run into the same problem with FX vs the lower end guns. Expectations are so much higher, to the point of being completely unrealistic. Then someone complains at the slightest perceived issue.
Now having said all that, I do own an Impact, a Marauder, and a Crosman 1701P, along with a Beeman P17 (yup, that $30 SSP pistol).
Design wise, the Impact is light years ahead of the Marauder, Crosman, or Beeman. Quality execution wise, they are all very good. My Impact was used when I got it, and performed flawlessly until I screwed it up. The Marauder and Crosman are flawless, and the Beeman is working to perfection (though expectations are a bit lower considering price point. Crappy trigger).
So, you can get really good execution of design at about any price range. Do your research and figure out why people are saying what thy say (I always look at the 1 star reviews to determine how many are legit or if the reviewer is an idiot. You'd be surprised at the number if idiots with stupid expectations).
But as to which has the most QC issues, Umarex by FAR is my opinion. Just look at the online Gauntlet wars. I'm told the Gauntlets are getting better but Umarex shipped boatloads of crap out to the end consumer and didn't seem to care.
Which brings up another point. If FX has a problem, they stand up and support their product. When I screwed up my Impact, they lead me through the repair procedures and helped me along the way. Techs called me back to lend assistance. Think a company like Umarex will stand behind their product? Read the reviews and find out.
So, you can see that the question you asked is really fairly complex. All manufactures have problems, just depends on what they do about the problem, support the product or hide and pretend the problem doesn't exist.
Do some research and decide what you want. Companies like FX and Crosman that stand behind warranties, or do you want to deal with someone that doesn't care?
Kind of like when you look at Consumer Reports for problems with Cars. I think they'll admit that consumer expectations skew the results. Expectations for GM, Ford, and Chrysler are lower than expectations for Toyota, Honda, Nissan. So when people see an issue, much more likely to report it and get vocal, where GM owners are much more likely to put up with and just except it. Having said that, look at the reports and you'll find that Toyota, Honda and Nissan still outscore GM and Ford on the quality scale year after year.
I think you run into the same problem with FX vs the lower end guns. Expectations are so much higher, to the point of being completely unrealistic. Then someone complains at the slightest perceived issue.
Now having said all that, I do own an Impact, a Marauder, and a Crosman 1701P, along with a Beeman P17 (yup, that $30 SSP pistol).
Design wise, the Impact is light years ahead of the Marauder, Crosman, or Beeman. Quality execution wise, they are all very good. My Impact was used when I got it, and performed flawlessly until I screwed it up. The Marauder and Crosman are flawless, and the Beeman is working to perfection (though expectations are a bit lower considering price point. Crappy trigger).
So, you can get really good execution of design at about any price range. Do your research and figure out why people are saying what thy say (I always look at the 1 star reviews to determine how many are legit or if the reviewer is an idiot. You'd be surprised at the number if idiots with stupid expectations).
But as to which has the most QC issues, Umarex by FAR is my opinion. Just look at the online Gauntlet wars. I'm told the Gauntlets are getting better but Umarex shipped boatloads of crap out to the end consumer and didn't seem to care.
Which brings up another point. If FX has a problem, they stand up and support their product. When I screwed up my Impact, they lead me through the repair procedures and helped me along the way. Techs called me back to lend assistance. Think a company like Umarex will stand behind their product? Read the reviews and find out.
So, you can see that the question you asked is really fairly complex. All manufactures have problems, just depends on what they do about the problem, support the product or hide and pretend the problem doesn't exist.
Do some research and decide what you want. Companies like FX and Crosman that stand behind warranties, or do you want to deal with someone that doesn't care?
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I would have to agree with JimNM. Not sure what you are wanting to get out of this discussion.
I'll give it a go here:
FX, Daystate, Kalibrgun, Edgun, Air Arms, Air Technology (Vulcan), RAW are just a few of your top air rifle companies. Go to AOA website and you will see others that I have missed.
If you are looking for an air rifle that won't break down, you might better stick to powder burning. Eventually all air rifles will need to be serviced. The seals and regulator will eventually break down. Understand, that instead of modifying the load for the powder to improve accuracy, you are adjusting the air rifle to achieve the same results. These adjustments will need to be monitored and you should expect to make corrections. Although it may be years that they work fine, you WILL eventually have to break the rifle completely down. I believe this may be one reason people keep a rifle for several years and then sell it.
If you are looking for an air rifle that you can eventually manage the repairs on your own, I might suggest starting off with a Benjamin Marauder as it is a simple design and can be modified up to shoot on par with the rest. I have done this to a .22 and a .25. Yes I know you will not get your money back on resale but this is a rifle that YOU can repair. There is alot of help on U-tube.The Edgun is one of the few high-end air rifles that has a simple design built so that the average air gunner can make repairs. Brian from Edgun West has lots of videos.
Daystate and especailly FX have been attacked regarding quality control. Although I do not own either, it is my opinion, these two companies are leading the way in innovation to the airgun world. In the last few years these two companies have really made the airgun world exciting! With innovation and pressure to present these new ideas to the market, there is always some hiccups. These problems eventually are resolved but many have the expectation that these are powder burners...... and they are not. The more complicated the design, the more problems that can arise. Before you buy an impact or crown, you should have some idea as to tuning, as these rifles are design for the advance shooter. Although a Newby can purchase these two rifle, expect to do a little research to understand how to work the rifle. A better choice for a new airgun shooter is an FX Streamline.
My suggestion is to pick the rifle that most interests you and learn all you can about the rifle. knowing the ins and outs of your rifle will help you solve most of your problems. Understand, that if you own a rifle long enough, you or someone else will eventually have to break the rifle down. I just sent my Cricket and a Falcon in for a seal and regulator repair to Nick at Precision Pneumatics products. Before you purchase a PCP air rifle, you need to understand what you want to do with the rifle and know you may need to make modifications to get those results.
Although it is improving, many rifles are not always "shoot ready" out of the box. If you want it to shoot a heavier pellets you will have to adjust the speed. You will want to chronograph your shot string and may have to make a few adjustnent to tighten up the spread. When you are buying innovation, expect some problems starting out. If you plan on buying a multi-caliber rifle, plan on doing a few months of testing to get the results you want. To get maximum consistency you will be factoring the pellet weight and air speed. The adjustments can be hammer weight and tension, valve opening, and/or regulator pressure. It may work for one size pellet but not another. Your shooting style may be different than another so there can be some variations from other's settings. This hobby requires some dedication. I hope my friend Wyshadow posts his modifications to a .25 Wildcat. He has increase power to shoot a heavier grain pellets yet maintain shot consistency and shot count. If you like to learn you will be hooked for life!
This is an addictive hobby and many here have several different brands. I own 5 Falcons, 2 Marauder, and 1 Cricket. Although I don't need another I want one more in .25 ( you will always want one more). Can't make up my mind but will either be an Edgun, FX, or Daystate. Although...............
Just my thoughts, hope it helps,
NMshooter
I'll give it a go here:
FX, Daystate, Kalibrgun, Edgun, Air Arms, Air Technology (Vulcan), RAW are just a few of your top air rifle companies. Go to AOA website and you will see others that I have missed.
If you are looking for an air rifle that won't break down, you might better stick to powder burning. Eventually all air rifles will need to be serviced. The seals and regulator will eventually break down. Understand, that instead of modifying the load for the powder to improve accuracy, you are adjusting the air rifle to achieve the same results. These adjustments will need to be monitored and you should expect to make corrections. Although it may be years that they work fine, you WILL eventually have to break the rifle completely down. I believe this may be one reason people keep a rifle for several years and then sell it.
If you are looking for an air rifle that you can eventually manage the repairs on your own, I might suggest starting off with a Benjamin Marauder as it is a simple design and can be modified up to shoot on par with the rest. I have done this to a .22 and a .25. Yes I know you will not get your money back on resale but this is a rifle that YOU can repair. There is alot of help on U-tube.The Edgun is one of the few high-end air rifles that has a simple design built so that the average air gunner can make repairs. Brian from Edgun West has lots of videos.
Daystate and especailly FX have been attacked regarding quality control. Although I do not own either, it is my opinion, these two companies are leading the way in innovation to the airgun world. In the last few years these two companies have really made the airgun world exciting! With innovation and pressure to present these new ideas to the market, there is always some hiccups. These problems eventually are resolved but many have the expectation that these are powder burners...... and they are not. The more complicated the design, the more problems that can arise. Before you buy an impact or crown, you should have some idea as to tuning, as these rifles are design for the advance shooter. Although a Newby can purchase these two rifle, expect to do a little research to understand how to work the rifle. A better choice for a new airgun shooter is an FX Streamline.
My suggestion is to pick the rifle that most interests you and learn all you can about the rifle. knowing the ins and outs of your rifle will help you solve most of your problems. Understand, that if you own a rifle long enough, you or someone else will eventually have to break the rifle down. I just sent my Cricket and a Falcon in for a seal and regulator repair to Nick at Precision Pneumatics products. Before you purchase a PCP air rifle, you need to understand what you want to do with the rifle and know you may need to make modifications to get those results.
Although it is improving, many rifles are not always "shoot ready" out of the box. If you want it to shoot a heavier pellets you will have to adjust the speed. You will want to chronograph your shot string and may have to make a few adjustnent to tighten up the spread. When you are buying innovation, expect some problems starting out. If you plan on buying a multi-caliber rifle, plan on doing a few months of testing to get the results you want. To get maximum consistency you will be factoring the pellet weight and air speed. The adjustments can be hammer weight and tension, valve opening, and/or regulator pressure. It may work for one size pellet but not another. Your shooting style may be different than another so there can be some variations from other's settings. This hobby requires some dedication. I hope my friend Wyshadow posts his modifications to a .25 Wildcat. He has increase power to shoot a heavier grain pellets yet maintain shot consistency and shot count. If you like to learn you will be hooked for life!
This is an addictive hobby and many here have several different brands. I own 5 Falcons, 2 Marauder, and 1 Cricket. Although I don't need another I want one more in .25 ( you will always want one more). Can't make up my mind but will either be an Edgun, FX, or Daystate. Although...............
Just my thoughts, hope it helps,
NMshooter
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