Beeman R10 VS Beeman R1

Both are still made, you just can't get an 85 in the US, you'll have to go to Krale in the Netherlands which says they have it in .177 and .22:

The numbers may vary depending on which retailers you look at but the specs at least according to Krale:

HW80: 8.8 lbs, 45.3 inches long, 803 fps

HW85: 7.1 lbs, 45.8 inches long, 754 fps

Take the above with a big grain of salt since I don't own either one, just posting up what I found when hunting them.

The R10 is for most practical purposes, the modern HW95/85. The 85 is simply a 95 with a longer barrel. 

The HW80 has a larger heavier piston, and weighs more overall, yet doesn't shoot as nice while having similar power levels. 

IMO, I'd get a 95 or older R10 and never look back. They are better shooting guns. I've had them all, and the current production 85/95 is better built than the old R10. But they don't have the classic styling!

I have a relatively new HW80 in my Weihrauch/Beeman collection. While I don't own an 85, the HW80 (which I tuned right out of the box using a Vortek HO kit as the power base), my HW80 is one of most accurate break barrel rifles. It is in .22, and oddly, after testing +/- a dozen pellets, it likes the Hades 15.89 the best, and at 20 yards, will stack them one on top of another, and will shoot a 10 shot group at 50 yards inside 1 1/2" consistently.

The HW80 is built like a tank, has the threaded breech block, and will undoubtedly be an heirloom rifle that can be passed from generation to generation with adequate care. It is however long and heavy (all air rifles are heavy - this one is not as heavy as a Diana 54 or 56, but it is heavy). 

If I were going to buy a spring powered rifle to carry in the woods and hunt with, it would probably be a Beeman R9 or a Weihrauch HW95. Much lighter, more balanced, and powerful enough to kill any small game within a reasonable distance. My R9s and 95s are shooting in the +/- 15 fpe range. I have them in .177, .20, and .20 and all are deadly accurate, and considerable less weight to carry in the field than the HW80. Perhaps odd to some, my favorite caliber in the R9 is the .20. caliber.

Good luck!

FYI My HW95L specs.

Rifle/scope weigh:

7.5 lbs = 120 oz Weihrauch HW95L rifle

4.4 oz = Hawke Tactical 30 mm medium 2 piece rings

21.9 oz = Hawke 4-16 x 44 mm SF, IR, compact scope

Total = 146.3 oz which is 9 lbs 2.3 oz

You can buy the 85 in Canada, I just got one recently the last one at D&L. Sweet rifle. Crow

I just got these, you can see how much heavier  the HW80 is. Crow 

Thanks for the responses guys. I already own the HW95 in both .177 and .22 caliber so I guess my needs are already met. I still think it would be interesting to try out an HW80.

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After owning most every other HW model except the R1/hw80, I too had an itch to give one a try. Long story short, it was the only HW spring gun that I ended up selling. The big 30mm compression tube and heavy spring just made for a harsh (IMHO) shot cycle at any given power level. I found that the hw97k/hw95 power plant can deliver the same power, but with a more pleasant shot cycle. FWIW, I have since largely switched to a 10.5fpe hw50s in .177 for all my hunting. Easier to carry and plenty of power out to 40 yards.

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Thanks for the responses guys. I already own the HW95 in both .177 and .22 caliber so I guess my needs are already met. I still think it would be interesting to try out an HW80.

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After owning most every other HW model except the R1/hw80, I too had an itch to give one a try. Long story short, it was the only HW spring gun that I ended up selling. The big 30mm compression tube and heavy spring just made for a harsh (IMHO) shot cycle at any given power level. I found that the hw97k/hw95 power plant can deliver the same power, but with a more pleasant shot cycle. FWIW, I have since largely switched to a 10.5fpe hw50s in .177 for all my hunting. Easier to carry and plenty of power out to 40 yards.

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Wholeheartedly agree. 

Never owned an R1, but I do own an older R10 in .20 cal that is rapidly becoming my favorite springer. Darn thing shoots like a PCP.

Owned an HW80/R1 for a long time.. Custom tuned, fires 14.3 gn .22 at 825/830 fps, excellent shot cycle can shoot 3/4" groups from a rest on calm days easy. Yes the cocking effort is heavy at around 45 lbs. I find the weight a plus for steadiness when making shots, I use a sling to carry in the woods. Have owned most ofvthe others mentioned in here, but for hunting/ pest control the R1 in .22 cal is by far my best choice!! Now....if your target shooting then there are other better choices in a springer. A custom tune makes all the difference in the world!! .177 cal can be harsh, the .22 cal has a much better shot cycle, the large volume of the comp chamber is really designed for the larger caliber. If anyone finds the .22 cal HW80 or R1 to be harsh, then go back to the drawing board with your tune. 

Random lame thought but.....PA has a 30 day return policy, soooo....buy 1, shoot the daylights out of it for 20-21 days while you decide whether you like it or not and if not, you still got 9-10 days to send it back....just sayin.....

On that note, I want an R1 but I want an older one in .20, along with an R10 also in .20 like 218bee up there has...lol. Only 2 rifles left on my bucket list 'cept maybe an older R11 in .20 also. Yes, I am one of those weird people who likes .20 caliber...lol.

My only gripe with the R10 is the hideous scope rail. The Deluxe stock is probably the most beautiful in the old Beeman line right with the R8. IMO. The screw off cap and everything else about it just oozes quality. Never understood why they did such a cheesy move.

Kinda like that crappy plastic rear site on the old FWB 124/127 rifles. It just doesn't belong!

BTW.....R1s rule!!! 5 decades of production prove that. Never had one that wasn't dead nuts accurate. It will definitely last a lifetime. BUT watch out for the cocking shoe!! Especially on the carbines. They tend to break.

I concur with kingfisher's every word, except having knowledge about the trigger shoe.

May add that an R10 in .20 cal having the Carbine Deluxe Stock is one of my favorites! Adding to this particular favorite list and rating right along side the R10 is my pristine R8 and first year production1982-83 (?) mint R1 in a Left Handed Deluxe Stock! All heirloom quality to be handed down to the next generation caretakers.

Cheers 

P.S. edit: My R9/HW95 excells in 20 caliber and I find this model best suited by this caliber! Subjective of course, as most thoughts about airguns are!