This tuner recommends cutting 1.5 coils off the spring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvxiPRLOICI&t=11s&ab_channel=TbTAirRifleTuning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvxiPRLOICI&t=11s&ab_channel=TbTAirRifleTuning
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Beeman P1 .22 open sights
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Strongly disagree with powering down. The pistol is very accurate, just work with it not against it. Time and technique.
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Absolutely agree with Johnny in that point of view! The recoil is this guns speciality, (reverse spring that is), and what separates it from other air pistols. It imitates the gunpowder pistol recoil very well, and is outstanding when it comes to realistic pistol training practice. Ok, it is challenging to obtain small groups, but as JP says - You have to work with it.
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Please ignore that video advice and the idiot giving it.
The key and entire point of the HW45/P1 is power. His kit turns the 550fps plus (.177) into a benign 450 fps to 500 fps also ran pistol.
If we get a suitable pellet out of the gun above 520 fps we negate any issue with recoil as the pellet has already left the barrel by the time the piston thump occurs.
In essence, his spring trimming and plastic kit will make it feel nicer in its cycle but will not realise anything better on target, and losing you a good 50 fps to 100 fps….It may even be less accurate for the nicer feel….dont do it…i have proved it.
If you wish to improve this gun, it simply requires a nice little front end guide rod/locator to centralise the mainspring at the muzzle end, locating in the hole of the mainspring retainer….Do not remove weight from the guide down inside the piston…or cut down your mainspring.
A better idea for the gun (and not a waste of money) is to invest in an after market grip option, offering either finger grooves, or a thumb groove. In this way we can meter out the issue of slightly differing hold positions….the grooves dictating how you position your hand hand each time.
The key and entire point of the HW45/P1 is power. His kit turns the 550fps plus (.177) into a benign 450 fps to 500 fps also ran pistol.
If we get a suitable pellet out of the gun above 520 fps we negate any issue with recoil as the pellet has already left the barrel by the time the piston thump occurs.
In essence, his spring trimming and plastic kit will make it feel nicer in its cycle but will not realise anything better on target, and losing you a good 50 fps to 100 fps….It may even be less accurate for the nicer feel….dont do it…i have proved it.
If you wish to improve this gun, it simply requires a nice little front end guide rod/locator to centralise the mainspring at the muzzle end, locating in the hole of the mainspring retainer….Do not remove weight from the guide down inside the piston…or cut down your mainspring.
A better idea for the gun (and not a waste of money) is to invest in an after market grip option, offering either finger grooves, or a thumb groove. In this way we can meter out the issue of slightly differing hold positions….the grooves dictating how you position your hand hand each time.
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Is it pretty easy to obtain and change the barrel, changing the caliber, of a P1/HW45? I’ve always thought they are great fun to shoot in .22 but reading this thread it might be fun to try it in .177 and I’ve always been interested in trying .20 caliber for this pistol.
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Easy to obtain a barrel, yes (PA, Chambers). I've never done a barrel swap since I have them in all calibers but seems to be a straightforward job.
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A very east task to swap out barrels, but I recommend that the fixing screws be given a spray with some Plus gas release oil and left to soak for an hour before removal. Can be tight and presents a danger of stripping the Allen heads.
The best performance I have got out of a P1 is with a .177 using Hobby pellets….approaching 600 fps and 1 inch groups with a red dot….zeroing at 6 yards and pretty flat trajectory out to 22 yards or so…not requiring any hold over until going above 25 yards…
The best performance I have got out of a P1 is with a .177 using Hobby pellets….approaching 600 fps and 1 inch groups with a red dot….zeroing at 6 yards and pretty flat trajectory out to 22 yards or so…not requiring any hold over until going above 25 yards…
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Recoil...you guys are funny. You must really need to do some forearm workouts, if a spring gun bothers you so badly.
Go rent a 9mm, .40cal. semi auto, or a .357 or a .44 Magnum and shoot a coupla hundred round through them...then talk about "the" recoil in an airgun. Do I feel a little movement sure, does it affect my .177, P1 shooting, no. And no red dot sight worth it's cost will be harmed by the slightly odd, "mini" recoil.
Mike
Go rent a 9mm, .40cal. semi auto, or a .357 or a .44 Magnum and shoot a coupla hundred round through them...then talk about "the" recoil in an airgun. Do I feel a little movement sure, does it affect my .177, P1 shooting, no. And no red dot sight worth it's cost will be harmed by the slightly odd, "mini" recoil.
Mike
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MikeVV. Yes, I was the one that mentioned the recoil, and I said it IMITATES the gun powder recoil very well. Similar to other air pistol that is. Neither did I say it bother me.
And by the way, pr now I am waiting for a second Vector Optics, Scrapper gen II. (Warranty case when the HW 45 ruined the first one after approx 10 shots). In my opinion I think it was the recoil, but as you the salesman just could not believe it. "An air pistol ruin the red dot...?"... Hopefully the next one can handle the HW 45/P1.
And by the way, pr now I am waiting for a second Vector Optics, Scrapper gen II. (Warranty case when the HW 45 ruined the first one after approx 10 shots). In my opinion I think it was the recoil, but as you the salesman just could not believe it. "An air pistol ruin the red dot...?"... Hopefully the next one can handle the HW 45/P1.
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This whole recoil business with air pistols is relevant because pistols at much under 500 fps do not get the pellet out of the barrel before the recoil effects the shot placement. This is unlike a firearm where the bullet is well on its way to the target by the time the shooter feels the recoil and the gun shifts…
The P1 shooter does not need to care so much about recoil, because in .177 the pellet has left the barrel fractionally before the cycle completes….
So enjoy your recoiling P1….any inaccuracy issues is usually owing to the shooter needing to learn to shoot a pistol..
The P1 shooter does not need to care so much about recoil, because in .177 the pellet has left the barrel fractionally before the cycle completes….
So enjoy your recoiling P1….any inaccuracy issues is usually owing to the shooter needing to learn to shoot a pistol..
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