ATN X-Sight 4K Pro

Thanks to nolandbeyond and firemine for putting in the time to give us a detailed account of your experiences with the latest ATN offering. I feel your frustation. I got interested in the X-sight a couple of months ago and have been hoping that the 4K would be more bullet proof. I don't have real need because you can't use any type of night vision in CA. but I thought the new day version only would be fun to play around with, especially for ground squirrels. I liked the thought of the range finder feeding distance info to the reticle directly, and using the video, but I guess I'll stick to the old fashioned range finder and holdover. I'm fairly computer literate but dealing with freezes, restarts, button issues, options not working would take the fun out of fun sport. 
 
Wheres the 4K? That video looks to be pretty close to the video quality of the X- sight 2 HD I had. Thats pretty fuzzy video for just 50 yds and you can see the color bleeding around the reticle in the video as you change settings. Sounds like this is going to be another flop for daytime use unless you dont need clear views like a regular scope gives and a marginally effective night scope because all the glitches.
 
"LDP"Wheres the 4K? That video looks to be pretty close to the video quality of the X- sight 2 HD I had. Thats pretty fuzzy video for just 50 yds and you can see the color bleeding around the reticle in the video as you change settings. Sounds like this is going to be another flop for daytime use unless you dont need clear views like a regular scope gives and a marginally effective night scope because all the glitches.
The 4K is a misleading advertisement. The sensor is 4K, but the scope still records in 1080p. The larger sensor allows for digital zooming to occur without pixelation. The previous versions had a smaller sensor that would cause the picture/video to pixelate (translation: blur) the more you zoomed in. All versions record in 1080p. If you left all three at their base zoom, either 3x or 5x depending on the base mag of the lens, they'd look the same (roughly) in regards to clarity.
Here is the thing people need to understand about these scopes. They're not really "scopes" at all! The people at ATN essentially took a digital video camera, took the LCD and put it by the eyepiece, and slapped some fancy software to display a digital reticle. The problem with these scopes from ATN is that if this is just a fancy digital camera, WHY would you not include auto focus with manual override? I mean my iPhone can auto focus on whatever the focus box is placed on. Why not have the scope automatically focus on whatever the reticle is placed on? Is the problem that it's a licensing issue? I mean, would ATN have to license the technology to be able to autofocus?

How about the lack of optical zoom?? It's 2018 for Pete's sake! Look at any digital video camera from Canon, Panasonic, or Sony. All of them can be had for a few hundred dollars and they include a significant optical zoom, sometimes up to 16+ power, with digital zoom to extend the range from there. All ATN scopes have fixed power, so 3x or 5x depending on model. Why? Again, is it that they don't produce lenses? Is it a cost issue to keep price affordable? Ultimately, the lens that's chosen has to be great quality glass to be able to get the most out of a fixed zoom.

You can have a great piece of 3x glass that will outperform a 5x glass when digitally zooming in. Do you guys remember the megapixel myth of the early 2000's? Back then it was a race for more megapixels in each release of a newer model of a camera. The problem was that a 12 megapixel picture would look worse at full zoom than a 6 megapixel picture if the 12 megapixel camera had an inferior lens. All megapixels do is enhance what the lens captures: You can have a smaller, clearer picture, or a larger blurrier picture. Which would you choose?

I think ATN has a long way to go with these scopes. They have a lot of room for improvement, but I believe right now they're misleading buyers into thinking a 4K model is better than the older versions, and it's all about advertising more resolution, without addressing the key component, which is the optical lens. Yes they can "zoom" in further without pixelation, but if the starting image is crappy to begin with, you'll just end up with a larger crappy image.

ATN is really a software company. They tout so many fancy tricks these scopes can do including WiFi streaming, recording, bluetooth, etc, but right now they've advertised a shell of a product that has yet to be fleshed out. The firmware on the scope is buggy. The phone app is buggy. There are multiple features missing from the scope that are advertised on the box. There is no explanation as to why, except that we hear they'll be released in future firmware versions.

All that being said, I plan on keeping my scope. I bought it and understand it has limitations at this time. It's the best option that I have at the price point I was comfortable with paying for night vision. I hate being the beta tester for a company that claims one thing yet releases something inferior, waiting to hear from us what needs fixing.
 
When I bought my x-sight 2 I also bought it for night shooting. I was hoping it would work good enough for daytime use because I didnt want to dedicate that rifle to just night shooting. It worked fine for night but lacked to much clarity for daytime shooting the smaller targets like ground squirrels at the extended distances I normally shoot them at. So I sold it and by the sound of the reports I doubt I would be buying another one. I will probably just build a night time setup using an infrared camera. Thanks for the info.
 
Maybe ATN needs more time to perfect the firmware/software but I also think that is a very bad thing bragging about features if they don't work as they should be, anyhow I'll keep my ATN II HD for the moment and take a look at the 4k pro in a few month to see if the issues get solved.
I don't want to be annoying with my request but anyone knows what's the battery life (runtime from 100% till lights out) in the 4Kpro ???, please answer.... :D

Thanks to all for the detailed info on previous posts.

Alejandro
 
I'm getting ready for bed, so will make this quick and add my two cents. Received my 4k Pro 3x14 last Thursday and had all the issues mentioned here, ended up shipping it back to the online retailer I bought it from. Lucky me, they paid the return shipping, so I'm not out any money at all.

There were two things I did like, the video quality is better than my XS2 and the battery life was great. I didn't get a chance to fully test the battery life, but it did stay on for at least 12 hours that I know of. I was in such a hurry to send it back I just didn't spend much time in test mode.

This scope should have never been released onto the market with all these bugs. It's a shame, I was looking forward to owning it and it turned out to be full of bugs.

Cheers, PB
 
I got the 5-20 version delivered yesterday. Setup was about the same as the 3-14 from the previous generation but so far it's doing what I want it to. I definitely won't be sending mine back unless it breaks because I have every intention of getting the ABL add-on range finder in the future and almost all the pesting I do these days is at night.

By the way for those having trouble pressing the center button I've found out the easiest way to work it is to just press down on the raised ridges between the buttons rather than just trying to press the middle button at it's center. 
 
"JDShapp"I got the 5-20 version delivered yesterday. Setup was about the same as the 3-14 from the previous generation but so far it's doing what I want it to. I definitely won't be sending mine back unless it breaks because I have every intention of getting the ABL add-on range finder in the future and almost all the pesting I do these days is at night.
By the way for those having trouble pressing the center button I've found out the easiest way to work it is to just press down on the raised ridges between the buttons rather than just trying to press the middle button at it's center.
Does yours record at 120 fps? Mine sure didn't and that was the number one reason for buying it.

The center / OK button was sure strange, not like the XS2. It had a two-stage position to it. The first stage didn't appear to do anything that I could tell, except the display would flicker. I found if I pressed passed the first stage into the second stage it worked just fine and did what it was supposed to do.

Maybe there's something turned off that the first stage is supposed to work with if the scope were fully functional?

To late now, it's like "Monty Pythons Holy Grail, Run Way, LOL.

Cheers, PB
 
"Panic-Button"
"JDShapp"I got the 5-20 version delivered yesterday. Setup was about the same as the 3-14 from the previous generation but so far it's doing what I want it to. I definitely won't be sending mine back unless it breaks because I have every intention of getting the ABL add-on range finder in the future and almost all the pesting I do these days is at night.
By the way for those having trouble pressing the center button I've found out the easiest way to work it is to just press down on the raised ridges between the buttons rather than just trying to press the middle button at it's center.
Does yours record at 120 fps? Mine sure didn't and that was the number one reason for buying it.
The center / OK button was sure strange, not like the XS2. It had a two-stage position to it. The first stage didn't appear to do anything that I could tell, except the display would flicker. I found if I pressed passed the first stage into the second stage it worked just fine and did what it was supposed to do.
Maybe there's something turned off that the first stage is supposed to work with if the scope were fully functional?
To late now, it's like "Monty Pythons Holy Grail, Run Way, LOL.
Cheers, PB
None of the scopes record at 120 fps...yet. ATN says it may in a future firmware update. Second, when you press the OK button in the "first stage" as you call it, it's actually caused you to take a picture, like pressing the left arrow button. If your display flickers, it's because it took a picture. Load up the memory card in a computer and see the pics you took.
 
None of the scopes record at 120 fps...yet. ATN says it may in a future firmware update. Second, when you press the OK button in the "first stage" as you call it, it's actually caused you to take a picture, like pressing the left arrow button. If your display flickers, it's because it took a picture. Load up the memory card in a computer and see the pics you took.
Thanks for the clarification on the 120 fps. If I had known beforehand, I would have never bought it.

I only did the single press a couple times then realized it needed to be pressed passed to the second click. I know I formatted the card around that same time so I would never have seen the photos.

Cheers, PB
 
Discovered last night, playing around, that the center "ENTER" button, actually presses both side buttons at the same time. It's not a single button. If you push slowly, you can hear the 2 clicks, as it is pushing on the 2 "left and right" buttons at the same time. Try it, you'll see. I find pressing the 2 side buttons at the same time is easier than the center button, as sometimes it works, sometimes it activates the photo, or video function instead.
Also discovered that to get a stream to my tablet, after connecting to the scope with the Obsidion program, you have to hit "record" on the scope. It will then stream. I managed to keep it streaming, with record turned off, after I got it connected. However, there is a lot of delay, lag, between the scope and the image on the tablet/phone, and it will occasionally lock-up.
Also noticed that with all the gizmo stuff activated in the display, the battery drops much faster, than with the minimal display. Also had a strange thing happening, sometimes when I turned the scope on, the cross-hairs were not centered in the view ??? Turned it off and on a couple of times, and it went back to center. ???? I'm going to mount it back up on a rifle, and continue my investigations. More to come. :-o
 
After reading through this thread I have to say I have not encountered ANY problems with the 4K after owning the xsight 2 for nearly 2 years. This 4k is hands down 1000 times better than the xsight2. The two most important features to me were eye relief and a clear zoom, both of which blow the previous model out of the water. For what it is and what it does at $699 you will not find anything better. My only customer service experience with ATN came 2 days after purchasing the xsight 2HD as it died while updating firmware. I phoned ATN and immediately was given an RMA, I sent only the scope in and had a replacement in less than 10 days, in fact they sent me a factory sealed replacement so I ended up with 2 of everything. I would say pretty amazing customer service in my experience. Like i mentioned, for what it is and its price point you cannot go wrong. Would an optical zoom be nice? sure! but we all know quality glass comes with a price tag. Would you be willing to pay 2-3 k for one of these if it had optical zoom? Wouldn't that defeat its purpose and intended audience? I also owned a Thor (640) thermal which I promptly sold after using a buddy's pulsar for a weekend but that is another story.
 
I have never had it on for longer than 15 minutes or so, I have it mounted on a Texan SS right now and zeroed it at 35 yards in 2 shots. I will say that the buttons are a little funky. This one seems to be working alright so I doubt I will attempt a firmware update when one is released. I plan on doing some yote hunting this weekend so I will report back how it goes.