Atlas or not?

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    WHITEFANG
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    Interesting buy I made off eBay? Advertised as an Atlas with what appeared in the description of the bi pod all the features that come with the Atlas. 
    Never owned a true Atlas only clones. 
    I bought several that look like this one and had no issues with them for my needs. 
    But as you see by the pictures it states Atlas patient. After looking at the Atlas site they both have the same features and the same stamping?
    Another example of China copy cat. Or is Atlas made there? I'll let the pros tell me about this‼️💀It's a good bi pod that looks like my others. I'll have to check what logo is on the others. Can't beat the price either way. If it works clone or not it's all good. 🤔 And yes I had to dress it in that red to match my CONDOR. LOL💀

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/CVLIFE-Rifle-B … 5907215017

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    GRITCH
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    Definitely not an authentic Atlas

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    elh0102
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    Agree, not an Atas.  And yes, Atlas bipods are made in the USA. 

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    benj397
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    Ok, the ebay link didn't post.   Can you provide it again?   And what was the price??

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    bandg
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    I have a knockoff.  I know, should be kicked in the butt and I don't like the process either.  But I didn't really "need" a bipod so $200+ didn't make sense to me.  $25 or so gave me something to tinker with, it supports my rifle without falling apart (so far), and it moves around a bit for position.  If my life (or another's) or a game animal depended on a shot that called for a bipod I would buy an Atlas.  Very glad it doesn't.  JMO

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    Superlag
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    Most likely these knock-offs use some of the stamps or tooling originally developed for Atlas that were created in China.  Someone probably made an extra set or is using the prototype stamps and tooling to build these knock-offs and are selling it just above cost to get the price so low.  That way they can sell more units to buy more materials in bulk to further lower margins and then eventually gain more profit.

    An alternative I just got is the UTG Recon 360 for $33 of of Amazon and was really impressed with the build.  Not as easily adjustable for stability as you need a screwdriver to stiffen up the tilt-and-pan turret but the legs and their adjustments are solid.  I believe it's made in the USA as UTG's Pro line is all made in America.

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    WHITEFANG
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    The fact of this matter is the stamping on the bi pod. For $25 I new it's a knock off. 

    How one gets away with the Atlas stamping is completely wrong. 

    Just another China robbery. When I bought the thing I knew it was no Atlas. But upon delivery I fell out seeing the box and the stamping? 

    I looked at my others that I have and the build is close. No Atlas logo. They all work for what I need. For game with the real guns if not free hand I use a bag. 

    For people that have no clue this could be sold as an Atlas under false pretenses. WRONG to have ever been sold in the USA in my book. 

    No doult China has made many clones of many name brand products. Are they the same? Not‼️

    I just thought all would get a kick out of this buy. Lol💀

    Not sure if this is the same one I bought but here is the eBay listing. The other fid not show due to being my account. This one may not link. But there on there. 

    Thanks. Prime example of copy rights infringement. ☠️

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-style-QD-Tactical-4-75-9-inch-Bipod-Adjustable-Pan-Tilt-Hunting-Bipod-US/113786483051?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190717082801%26meid%3Db8fcdcb91144412c985ed8cf9a31fcc8%26pid%3D100889%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D323780598127%26itm%3D113786483051%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2349624&_trksid=p2349624.c100889.m5204

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    stoti
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    You can always tell a fake by the cheap quick release clamp/lever instead of the authentic LW-17 lever and the fakes don't have the little lip on the knurled ring that you pull down to extend the legs. The pictures in the eBay ad are all fakes except the last picture of the black one. See the little lip on the part I mentioned? The fakes coming from China need to be stopped by our government, they're making a fortune and killing American businesses. 

    Stoti

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    WHITEFANG
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    Here is a link shared to me from my forum where I posted the same topic. As a matter if fact I copied and pasted all this post off my site. Never new it would blow the emoji up. Like it did or even copy and paste my pictures? 

    I totally agree with the last reply and thus is why I even started this post. China is killing many USA businesses with the cheap knock off production. This is good reading for those that care:

    http://8541tactical.com/2016/10/06/counterfeit-parts-atlas-bipods/

     

     

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    JW652
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       Buy a Harris and your grandchildren will still be using it down the road.

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    stoti
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    Good article, sums it up perfectly! I too talked with Kasey a while back and could feel his frustration. It's tough on American makers!

    I'm not judging either. I bought a fake a while back too, before talking with Kasey. 

    Stoti

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    CampFussell
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    I've got 5 fakes on five different guns. Hasn't hampered my shooting one bit. I've shot several sub moa with one under my Boss and a few 250 cards with one under my Thomas. If I ever get a rail on my Logun I'll put one under it.

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    elh0102
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    I expect some of the Atlas fakes are of acceptable quality and work fine. My issue is more the ethics and legal issues that the Chinese obviously do not respect. This is not the kind of trading partner to which we should roll over. I think there are a lot of things that our current White House doesn't get, but when it comes to China, I'm with him. I digress, and frankly, I've had great luck with the Harris products over many years, still have my first one that must be almost 40 years old. The Atlas may be built in a more robust manner, but the Harris seems to support just as solidly. 

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    WHITEFANG
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    I have to say I have a Harris and it is a great bi pod. Mentioned is the UTG. THEY work but not made in the USA to knowledge.

    I knew this would shed light on just how some of or trade rules are. Plus I knew this would shed the light on the difference there is between the 2 pods plus never owning an Atlas I could not put in words the difference but I knew this was Fake. 

    We could go into the scopes but I'm not. I'll let Joe continue his reviews on them. 

    The Airgun hobby is full of lucrative people and goods. Hard earned money spent by many ish to come by. Clone guns are sold everyday by the truck load. The return rate is truck loads as well. It's a roll of the dice on a decent one. As with any brand they all possible can be made to shoot if worked correct and the gun has a good Barrel. I say mainly the barrels are the downfall. There is no doult the quality is lacking. The metal is never as good as Quality gun. Those guns well never last in time as many well known guns I'm. But they are a poor man's ways to enjoy the hobby. 

    I'm going to end this with this: We the USA has allowed Big Corporate bring us to these times. 

    Also as a CWI I have seen China low pressure vessels bought by chemical plants where the $ got in the way bought and put into service that buy NBIC codes that would never passed my imspection. And yes being the 3 party inspector I did go over the vessel and make a report on all the non code findings. And it was an indepth report but still was used. 

    China metals are non superior to even other overseas metal materials and all Quailaty vessel builders will not use CHINA metals. As a fact China has increased the price of scrap metal prices at times due to them buying the biggest part of our junked out products and left overs. Another example of how they can buy, ship back to where ever, reclaim and make goods, then send it back to the USA and still make profit? JMO

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    sgtBunny
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    While I do not agree with how China is stealing intellectual property and making knock offs and hurting US businesses, it is also a fault of the US businesses for charging such ridiculous amounts of money it forces people to look else where.

     

    Why spend $400 on a bi pod even if it is for a $2000 gun when you can get something for tons less that is 80% as good.

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    c_m_shooter
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    So, what is special about this Atlas bipod anyway?  I don't shoot from a bench rest, if I did I have sandbags.

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    Rocko
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    Just to be fair, the Ebay listing says Atlas "style", it doesn't claim to be a real Atlas.  If the Chinese can make it & sell it for $28 and still make a profit, why does the real thing cost 10 times as much ???

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    WHITEFANG
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    Not having a true Atlas all I can say is what I have works for me for now. 

    In the ling haul they may fail or become sloppy. 

    I pulled my AR box of parts out the other day. In it was the box on another bi pod eBay bought. It was not advertised as an Atlas but in the box the 1 St words were as the last purchase, ATLAS. But no branding in the unit as is in my last one. 

    Brought up was the pricing difference between the knock off vs the real thing. Quality cost money vs China labor and no QC. WHAT really gets me is the ability to make a product overseas, then ship it to the USA and sell at such a low price. I know that many goods sold to the USA never return overseas when warrantied or damaged in shipping . Sea containers  shipped the the USA most never return to the original shipper. The return cost shipping is more than the container value. 

    Welcome to the China trade and products. JMO 💀

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    Chuck26287
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    I've had both… Chinese clone, and original Atlas.  The difference?  The Atlas is a quality piece of workmanship that works today, and will work for years to come, and you can count on it.  When you pay for an Atlas, you pay for top quality materials that will hold up to the intended task.  You also pay for the American engineering research and development that designed the product.  You also pay for the American worker who makes a decent wage to support his family and the health benefits he and his family receive from his employer.  You also pay for the lifetime warranty the product carries, so if it does happen to have an issue, you aren't out the product you spent your hard earned money on.  You also pay the profit an American corporation makes in exchange for conducting fair and reputable business, and providing American people a decent standard of living, and an acceptable workplace environment.

    Wonder why the clone can be sold for 15% of the price of an Atlas?  Because the Chinese don't have any of the above costs to cover.  Quality Chinese clone workmanship does not exist.  Clone materials are the cheapest, lowest grade available, bar none.  Cloning a product by its very definition eliminates research and development costs.  It's so much more cost effective for the Chinese to let the Americans (or anyone else for that matter) do this part.  Any of you want to trade your pay, benefits and work environment for that of a Chinese factory worker?  Go for it.  Might not be all that bad… you could be on the same line as your 8 year old son.  As for a lifetime warranty… I suppose they could exist on paper, but I'm not aware of any clones with lifetime warranties.  When it breaks, it's broke.  And remember, Chinese companies operate the way they do for one simple reason… Americans don't think American products are worth the cost, and we buy the Chinese knock-offs instead.  Period.  WE are the reason clones for anything sell in this country… because we BUY them.

    Having said all of this, and probably getting the hackles up on every Atlas clone owner out there, let me say I stand guilty as charged by my own words.  My first bipod was an Atlas clone bought on Amazon.  Simply put, I didn't have $319 to spend right then, and I needed a bipod.  I got the clone, and the very first time I tried to open the quick disconnect, I didn't get the release lever actuated all the way before pulling the locking lever open, and it literally smeared the metal of the release lever over so it had no holding function what so ever.  That was how low-quality the metal was.  The pan and tilt function was there, but it couldn't be locked reliably, and wobbled all the time.  It was a bipod support, but it was NOT a stable shooting platform.  But, it did work, a little.  I decided from there on, I would not buy a clone again.  I saved and purchased an authentic Atlas PSR bipod.  It was the real deal, and worth every penny.  Truly a rock-solid shooting support.  I have since sold that Atlas PSR, and on the same basis, bought two Accu-Tac FC-G2 bipods, and I'm proud to support the companies behind both of these bipod products.  To me, and for more reasons than just the products themselves, it has been worth waiting until I could afford them.

    Hope my experience and opinion helps you decide on a bipod.

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    WHITEFANG
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    We'll put! We have for sure allowed the lesser products TO come to the USA. 

    YOU ARE CORRECT on our research and tech has been stolen.  That and low quality materials alone cut cost if goods plus cheap labor. 

    Greedy for profits USA companies have left the USA to not only to compete but profit. 

    You always get what you pay for for a reason. Cheap is cheap for a reason be what ever.

    Thanks💀JMO

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