Artemis P15: Sight-In And 10M Accuracy Test [Video]

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You have a regulator that creeps. It’s no shocker, everyone who has this gun either has a creepy reg or eventually will have a creepy reg. When your gun sits, the reg lets the pressure build higher than it’s set point. When you fire the first shot, you now don’t have enough hammer spring tension to overcome the higher pressure. This is a big deal when you are shooting pellets that weigh 18+grains. Your first shot being that much slower at 30 or more yards is no good. Especially if you are shooting critters. Because now you are either missing or wounding them. Buy a regulator. It’s part of the process with these guns.
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Vetmx,

Thanks for elaborating on the regulator topic, this was really helpful! 
I touched base on it up above, but, wanted to hit you back 'in person' about a few things you mentioned.

Reg Creep. Gothca! And I explained that I noticed that same sort of thing happening with other guns - no regulated too..
So that has always been a bit odd, but, expected at the same time.. I read that the P16 OEM regs were also hit/miss..
Most people recommend HUMA regs as being a fantastic upgrade!

Shooting pellets in excess of 18 grains of weight.. Ah, now this is a good one!

While inside, I almost always just go with the Crosman Premier 14.13 grain pellets, 
all of the other pellets that I have [and use with all of my guns] are H&N and JSB - weighing 17, 18, 21 gr and more.. 
So that info helps also! More so when I can get outa' the house, and shoot outside - needing heavier options for longer shots. 
Cool. Noted!

Reg and LW barrel - 2 High Priority things on my list for the P15 for sure! 
I'll probably just go with the barrel first.. I really appreciate you taking the time to give the heads up and added info!

Thanks again!

🙂👍 

Sam -
 
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Hello. Just got my new rifle the other day. It’s the Diana Skyhawk version. Got the DonnyFL adapter and a Trident moderator on it. At first it was shooting all over the place. So I cleaned and cleaned and cleaned the barrel and it actually started shooting pretty good. The FPS spread was minimal too, around 3-6 FPS. Then all of a sudden started shooting all over the place again. I cleaned and polished the barrel but it still shooting ugly. I noticed that the FPS spread is now 20 sometimes. Maybe I need to shoot it a lot more after cleaning the barrel again?

where do I get another barrel?

where do I get another regulator from? Huma directly?

any tips for better accuracy? It’s shooting very ugly now. 

Thanks for any input. Greatly appreciated. 
 
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I have played with the fps, up & down, I have settled on 770. I get a steady 767- 771 and good shot group w/ 48 on the reg. That's pretty good for a "cheap chinese gun". 

After all, that is way beyond the English version and has plenty of knock down power.

I'm loving this thing more every time i shoot it. And, taking her for a walk is painless!

Going out today and try to duplicate yesterdays results . Chomping at the bit!
 
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racolon,

I always shoot my rifles before cleaning and again after cleaning - to compare.. 
When you first shot yours, and mentioned bad groups, I assumed that cleaning would help.. 
After all, there can be quite a bit of dirt / grime / oils inside.. You said you cleaned it, then tried again.. 
After cleaning, you'll notice two different types of accuracy usually..
Fresh clean barrell accuracy, and then the final accuracy - after the pellets 'lead in' the barrel..
Sending a bunch of pellets through it will lead it in, and most always improve accuracy..

When you said that wasn't the case, I started thinking 'regulator'...

Now.. Those of us who have the P15 version usually don't have much of a choice 
when it comes to returns - since we import them..

But for You, since you got the Skyhawk version - I'm curious if you have a return option? 
That *might* be the best option - IF you ended up with a rifle with a sketchy barrel or regulator from the start..

Things to double check.. On the barrel, look at the breech [where the pellet goes in] 
Check the o-ring, check the metal condition around the hole.. Is it smooth / Is it really jagged looking? 
Then check for the same up front.. You'll have to remove the shroud - they just unscrew.. 
Look at the front of the barrel [the Crown] and see how that looks.. nice and smooth or not..
That can and will make a difference..

Now, the last thing is barrel 'consistency'...

With the P15, one of the grips of some owners is the crap-shoot when it comes to barrels..
Some are horrible, some are good, and some are great..

They can have varying inner diameters - causing tight spots that'll disrupt the pellets, 
and definitely cause differences in pressure and fps - point of impacts too..

If you got yours from Pyramid Air - Don't rule out calling and talking to them.. They're fantastic.. 
I had issues with my Kral Puncher Breaker, e-mailed them, and they went above and beyond..

Anyways.. double check the things I mentioned if you haven't already, and keep in touch..
One way or another we'll getcha' back on track!

As far as aftermarket barrels and regulators go:

Jefferson State Air Rifles: Lother Walther - bottom of the page and next pages: 

http://www.jsairrifles.com/Custom-Work_c_28.html 

HUMA Regs - I don't have a personal source for yet..

😊👍 

Sam -
 
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racolon,

I always shoot my rifles before cleaning and again after cleaning - to compare.. 
When you first shot yours, and mentioned bad groups, I assumed that cleaning would help.. 
After all, there can be quite a bit of dirt / grime / oils inside.. You said you cleaned it, then tried again.. 
After cleaning, you'll notice two different types of accuracy usually..
Fresh clean barrell accuracy, and then the final accuracy - after the pellets 'lead in' the barrel..
Sending a bunch of pellets through it will lead it in, and most always improve accuracy..

When you said that wasn't the case, I started thinking 'regulator'...

Now.. Those of us who have the P15 version usually don't have much of a choice 
when it comes to returns - since we import them..

But for You, since you got the Skyhawk version - I'm curious if you have a return option? 
That *might* be the best option - IF you ended up with a rifle with a sketchy barrel or regulator from the start..

Things to double check.. On the barrel, look at the breech [where the pellet goes in] 
Check the o-ring, check the metal condition around the hole.. Is it smooth / Is it really jagged looking? 
Then check for the same up front.. You'll have to remove the shroud - they just unscrew.. 
Look at the front of the barrel [the Crown] and see how that looks.. nice and smooth or not..
That can and will make a difference..

Now, the last thing is barrel 'consistency'...

With the P15, one of the grips of some owners is the crap-shoot when it comes to barrels..
Some are horrible, some are good, and some are great..

They can have varying inner diameters - causing tight spots that'll disrupt the pellets, 
and definitely cause differences in pressure and fps - point of impacts too..

If you got yours from Pyramid Air - Don't rule out calling and talking to them.. They're fantastic.. 
I had issues with my Kral Puncher Breaker, e-mailed them, and they went above and beyond..

Anyways.. double check the things I mentioned if you haven't already, and keep in touch..
One way or another we'll getcha' back on track!

As far as aftermarket barrels and regulators go:

Jefferson State Air Rifles: Lother Walther - bottom of the page and next pages: 

http://www.jsairrifles.com/Custom-Work_c_28.html 

HUMA Regs - I don't have a personal source for yet..

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Sam -
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Sam

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racolon,

Earlier, I forgot to mention... 

When I 1st received my P15, even though everything was physically tight.. 
The baffles inside of the shroud were still sliding around.. 
To keep them perfectly in place, I would have had to use a thin washer.. 
Nope, I just nix'd them - Since I was already going to be using a suppressor..

Then it clicked.. Check your baffles..
I wonder if yours could be moving, or, just causing part of your issue?
[as far as point of impact shifting anyways] Clipping came to mind..
Either that, or, just not being perfectly centered - causing a little bit of 
varying air turbulence around the pellet as it/they exit..

Just a thought..

👍 

Sam -
 
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racolon,

Earlier, I forgot to mention... 

When I 1st received my P15, even though everything was physically tight.. 
The baffles inside of the shroud were still sliding around.. 
To keep them perfectly in place, I would have had to use a thin washer.. 
Nope, I just nix'd them - Since I was already going to be using a suppressor..

Then it clicked.. Check your baffles..
I wonder if yours could be moving, or, just causing part of your issue?
[as far as point of impact shifting anyways] Clipping came to mind..
Either that, or, just not being perfectly centered - causing a little bit of 
varying air turbulence around the pellet as it/they exit..

Just a thought..

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Sam -
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Hi Sam, racolon,

It wasn’t mentioned if you were using the magazines or the single shot tray. These P15 are notorious for having issues with the factory magazines. I will recommend using the SST to see if the performance improves, just to rule out another variable.

As Sam said, one way or another you will have your rifle shooting as it should.

It will be really interesting if your rifle has a bad barrel, because it was said that the Germans did some more quality checks and improvements, I really hope it is the magazine
 
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They did nothing to improve the gun and as stated over on another forum, all they did was slap some lipstick on a pig. If Skyhawks aren’t shooting right, send them back for two reasons. One, it’s easy. Two, if we ever want these guns to live up to the Diana name, we have to hold them accountable for selling us junk. Not everyone wants to dump $400 in a gun for a barrel and reg. That puts you dangerously close to the price of a good gun and no matter what you do to your Skyhawk/P15, it still will never compare in overall quality and resale. Send them back. Pave the way for the guy who wants to buy a gun and just shoot and enjoy it.
 
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Orion brought up a great point.. The factory/oem magazines.. 
*Gag* 🤣 2 came with my rifle, and I ordered 2 more spares.. 
Of the 4, I have 1 bad one, annnd.. It's 1 of the 2 oem mags.. 

I'll tear it apart eventually, and try to work some magic.. 
We [Orion and I] figured out that when I use that particular mag, 
pellets tend to do their own thing vs. shooting/hitting like they should. 

Anyways.. Single-Shot-Tray: *Sigh* Mine didn't come with one.. 
I usually just 'finger-fumble' a bit to manually / single-shot load..

Sam -
 
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Vetmx,

Yeah, when I saw that Diana had thrown the P15 upper into a high end stock, 
I just shook my head.. I figured that they'd use extensive advertising, and the power of their name, 
and end up selling what's pretty much just 'eye candy' for hundreds of dollars more..
From the sounds of most of the posts I've run across, I'm thinking that's exactly what they did..
Some claim different by saying that their copy has a great barrel, great trigger, etc..
Well guess what? So does my 'regular P15'! haha

Anyways, I agree.. If a company is going to offer something to the public for sale, 
especially a price much higher than the original, they better be transparent and truthful 
when it comes to the facts.. Not just sit back and expect people to assume, spread opinions/rumors, etc..

I've always been a customizer, designer, fabricator, and tinkerer, so, that's why I personally got a P15.. 
Playing around, modifying, tuning etc. just to have fun, and keep pushing the limits of the thing.. 
Lots of others pretty much do the same.. And usually know exactly what they're getting into..

With the "Diana Version" - I also agree - People shouldn't have to do anything other than buy one, 
unbox it, shoot it, and enjoy it. And for the price-tag, they definitely could have upgraded the bbl and reg. 

It'll be interesting to find out more as time goes on.. 
I'll be keeping a close eye on that for sure. *Nukes some popcorn, kicks back, and watches the show* 

👍 

Sam -
 
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Oh boy they got me on the advertisement then, I remember reading (or watching) somewhere where they were explaining that the P15 can have some quality issues but their version is like a hand picking version of the P15, it made sense to me the increase of the price, but if what they just change was the stock then... return and get a different one... and do that until you get super tight groups... you paid for that too not just a nice stock 
 
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There was mention of the Skyhawk at the 2K19 SHOT Show..
Steve brought up the branding / origin thing, and the Diana rep took it from there.. 

What most people saw: "We [Diana] really improved things"....

And then what I saw: "IF you're familiar w/ the gun, you know what's going on, 
but if not - You'll see our name on it, and spend 2 x as much $ for a nicer stock"..

Initial Intro to the Skyhawk: 3:35

Diana Rep Explaining things: 6:00 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-JR4gDBgM 

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Sam -
 
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Its been snowing again here, so, I stayed inside, and re-did my range.. 
Introducing . . . Indoor Shooting Backstop Version 2.0 
I figured I'd show you guys before it gets riddled with pellets! 🤣 

My view: 10m distance from the barrel to the backstop / target.
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Dimensions: 2 Ft-Wide X 3 Ft-Height, and now 2 1/4 In Thick..
2 full layers of 3/4 In thick Rubber Stall Mat + 1 Removable 'Mini' Mat.
I think that'll help a bit with pellets loading up and with cleaning / replacing..
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Annnd the shooting room: [From the 1/2 way point]
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I'm waiting for a few more components / materials to ship.. 
The backstop is Heavy - So I have two different mounting methods.. 
I need to secure it either way.
1 - Raise it up, stand it on top of the baseboard, then secure it to the wall. 
2 - Same, but, mount it with door hinges at the top, so it can fold upward.. 
*Add a 'leg', and it would double as a 'table' to hold other targets* 
I've made a few collapsible benches/tables that way, and they work great. 

I have a really heavy pellet trap and a knock down resettable rat,
Both need a very solid base, and the bar-stool just wasn't cutting it..
Still dreaming..

🙂👍 

Sam -
 
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There was mention of the Skyhawk at the 2K19 SHOT Show..
Steve brought up the branding / origin thing, and the Diana rep took it from there.. 

What most people saw: "We [Diana] really improved things"....

And then what I saw: "IF you're familiar w/ the gun, you know what's going on, 
but if not - You'll see our name on it, and spend 2 x as much $ for a nicer stock"..

Initial Intro to the Skyhawk: 3:35

Diana Rep Explaining things: 6:00 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o-JR4gDBgM 


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Sam -
Saw that video and thought to myself hmm wondered if he sold used cars😂 PURTY stocks. The gun itself is still a p 15🤣Thanks but no thanks I’ll stick to the plain stock ones as my p15s are pesting guns and I would not want to scratch that PURTY wood 😂👍🏾
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