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Are springers not good at being .25 caliber?

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    bltefft
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    I was looking at getting a Weihrauch HW77K springer in .25 caliber but was warned off, so I got scared and passed on what may have been good deal.  

    Are stringers not good in .25 cal?

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    biohazardman
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    Nothing wrong with a good .25 spring gun so long as you can handle the low velocity, likely 700fps or less, and the loopy trajectory that goes with it. Probly should not forget that lower velocity means the pellet is in the barrel longer which means for most they will be a bit harder to shoot accurately as well.  Although I have seen some adds that tout a shorter lock time so that is not always so.

    But if you are a die hard springer enthusiast then you probly should have one so you have the braggin rights.

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    The die hard springer guys know that low velocity is not always a bad thing especially in close quarters.   Those big .25 pellets hit hard so it makes the .25 springer a great close in gun.  If you are good you can still stretch them out a bit.

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    Lewis
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    Bio is spot on as usual.

    Don't underestimate the change in trajectory. A 15 FPE springer will shoot a 25.39 grain pellet at just over 500 feet per second. In a back yard shooting out to around 30 meters they can be excellent on small game. Very few 20 plus FPE springers are much fun to shoot very long. Nothing wrong with one, just know what you are getting into and set your expectations accordingly. 

    One strong advantage is the pellets are much easier to handle and load for anyone with dexterity concerns. Generally speaking the larger pellets also suffer less from bent skirts and deformations which makes shooting straight from the tin more enjoyable.

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    mercado
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    My experience with Springer's was great..I used to have hatsan sniper. 22 n .25 they were really consistent…I should have kept them..for those times were there is no air..like when the Maria huracan left us without power for almost 6 months..there were no place to fill scuba tanks..I should put a pair on my buying list..just in case another disaster hit us..😠

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    MMCM13
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    I have a Gamo Big Cat in .25 that seems to lob a H&N spitzkugln or a JSB 25gr accurately. The claim is those have a BSA hammer forged barrel, an it shoots like it has a good barrel, just loopy as described.

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    thumper
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    I think the best way to put it is this: 

    What do you hope to accomplish with a .25 that a .177 or .22 won't do? 

     

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    Fischer
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    Lewis

    Bio is spot on as usual.

    Don't underestimate the change in trajectory. A 15 FPE springer will shoot a 25.39 grain pellet at just over 500 feet per second. In a back yard shooting out to around 30 meters they can be excellent on small game. Very few 20 plus FPE springers are much fun to shoot very long. Nothing wrong with one, just know what you are getting into and set your expectations accordingly. 

    One strong advantage is the pellets are much easier to handle and load for anyone with dexterity concerns. Generally speaking the larger pellets also suffer less from bent skirts and deformations which makes shooting straight from the tin more enjoyable.

    I have an inventory of spring air rifles larger than any other air rifle.

    I have the HW95L .25, HW80 .25 and have had decades ago the underlever Webley Eclipse .25 single shot shooting those .25 pellets at the least velocity I ever saw them in my life.

    That low velocity at that time with the Eclipse impressed me enough to migrate North to .25 caliber in anything available whatever the power. 

    If I want to do something bigger and better than the R1 in any selection I'd just get an HW80 .25 today and find out you will get 50 fps more than the HW95L which itself has accuracy clear to 45 yards.

    I only shoot offhand no sandbags no rests and the .25 is always a desirable and predictable caliber beyond what .22 has to offer.

    Kindly,

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    thumper

    I think the best way to put it is this: 

    What do you hope to accomplish with a .25 that a .177 or .22 won't do? 

     

    Bingo.  A fixed amount of power in a springer powerplant.  Shooting bigger and bigger projectiles will result in the lower velocity and trajectory issues noted above.  Each shooter must determine for themselves whether such is an acceptable tradeoff for the additional "power" or "energy".  

    I have no springers over .177 and no PCP's over .22 calibers.  I have "better tools" for the jobs beyond those "points".  Just my preferences.

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    bltefft

    I was looking at getting a Weihrauch HW77K springer in .25 caliber but was warned off, so I got scared and passed on what may have been good deal.  

    Are stringers not good in .25 cal?

    Depends on what you like. I'm not a fan of 25cal below 20 foot pounds. Didn't say they weren't accurate, just not a fan. An RWS 52 in 25cal tuned is a different story in my opinion. HW77K is an accurate gun in any caliber. 

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    I have a HW80k, HW90 and a HW97kt all in .25. Can’t go wrong with Weihrauch. I have a 77k, 95l and 98 all in .25 on order.  My distance is 20 to 35yd. Starling and tree rats. Target plinking, The .25 is adequate at these distances. Crow 

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    I have a HW80k, HW90 and a HW97kt all in .25. Can’t go wrong with Weihrauch. I have a 77k, 95l and 98 all in .25 on order.  My distance is 20 to 35yd. Starling and tree rats. Target plinking, The .25 is adequate at these distances. Crow 

    Good usable opinion.  Caliber, models, and distances noted.  But not everyone shoots at just those distances or with those specific models.  Glad such works for you, as it certainly seems to do.  Others might not be satisfied with such.  The PHYSICAL differences between similar guns in smaller vs. larger caliber is less "viewpoint" and more "hard data".

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    bltefft
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    That's all, I'll just stick with .25 in my PCP's.

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    ScottEnglish
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    Before you give up on a .25 Cal Springer, try one with the Predator GTO .25 Cal 16.54 alloy domed pellets. I have been using these pellets in my .25 Vortex springer for several years now.  It  has been by far the most accurate pellet and I have tried them all.  It shoots at about 900  fps with about 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards.  It has been a very reliable pesting air rifle.

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    ScottEnglish

    Before you give up on a .25 Cal Springer, try one with the Predator GTO .25 Cal 16.54 alloy domed pellets. I have been using these pellets in my .25 Vortex springer for several years now.  It  has been by far the most accurate pellet and I have tried them all.  It shoots at about 900  fps with about 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards.  It has been a very reliable pesting air rifle.

    Wow, that springer is putting out almost 30 ft-lbs of energy.

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    ScottEnglish

    Before you give up on a .25 Cal Springer, try one with the Predator GTO .25 Cal 16.54 alloy domed pellets. I have been using these pellets in my .25 Vortex springer for several years now.  It  has been by far the most accurate pellet and I have tried them all.  It shoots at about 900  fps with about 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards.  It has been a very reliable pesting air rifle.

    What springer do you have? 

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    AG72
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    Nothing wrong with a 25 cal springer, quite the oposite, they are realy fun to plink with at tins and spinners and other reactive targets, i don't hunt so cant answer about that, my Hatsan 95 loves both H/N FTT 19,91gr and the 26gr predator polymag, i use it with open sight and out to 30-40 yards not a pine cone is safe!

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    I forgot to say I have the .25 HW98 as well!  How stupid!

    You don't order the HW98 in a caliber you don't believe in.

    I have three HW98s in .177, .20, and .25.

    In those rifles I can do anything up to 45 yards easy offhand.

     

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    Septicdeath
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    Six .25 springers like them all.

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    ScottEnglish

    Before you give up on a .25 Cal Springer, try one with the Predator GTO .25 Cal 16.54 alloy domed pellets. I have been using these pellets in my .25 Vortex springer for several years now.  It  has been by far the most accurate pellet and I have tried them all.  It shoots at about 900  fps with about 2 MOA accuracy at 50 yards.  It has been a very reliable pesting air rifle.

    +1 on those 16.54 grain GTOs.  I’ve shot them in a Hatsan @ 21-22 fpe and in an HW77K at 17 fpe and the are great!

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    That relativity thing again.  Those "light for caliber" pellets noted (16 gr. in .25 caliber) shed velocity and energy more rapidly than a heavier for caliber pellet.  In comparison, I shoot lots of 16 gr. pellets in .177 caliber.  The tradeoff for larger calibers in springers seems to be the springer power limit "requiring" such lighter pellets in larger calibers in order to get useful velocity/trajectory.  If one is shooting at shorter distances or doesn't mind the "loopy" trajectory, then it seems .25 in a springer can work just great for many, as has been posted in this thread.  But it seems to be a "relative performance" question.  

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