Anyone have the Hatsan Lightning compressor?

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    texagdds
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    Has anyone gotten the new compressor from Hatsan?  Says sold out on their site and I’m on their email list, but wondered if any of you had the opportunity to buy one yet. 

    https://hatsanusa.com/collections/tactair-fill-systems/products/lightning-compressor

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    Brian10956
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    They have been sold out on their web site since they were announced at the shot show. I’m not sure if they have ever been available in the US 

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    Humdinger
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    They won’t be released until late May or June according to the videos released at the Shot Show.

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    texagdds
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    Dang it. I hate waiting when you find what you want. First world problems. 

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    NMshooter
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    Looks the same as the air Venturi that Pyramid is selling. Might want to give it a look. This compressor goes under several brand names.

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    Humdinger
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    “NMshooter”Looks the same as the air Venturi that Pyramid is selling. Might want to give it a look. This compressor goes under several brand names.

    It is similar but the Hatsan adds several very desirable features that the Air Venturi lacks. It has the gold high pressure desiccant filter built in whereas the AV requires you to buy your own. It has a a digital pressure gauge that can be set to read in either PSI or BAR. It has an automatic moisture purge that can be set for time between purges as well as duration of purge time.  The digital cooling system temperature gauge reads in Fahrenheit. All of these features are worth waiting for.  It includes all of the other standard features of the AV.  

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    Rodeo
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    Even with the added features I believe that the Hatsan is supposed sell for the same price as the AV unit.

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    texagdds
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    Exactly why I’m waiting for it. 

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    LDP
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    “Humdinger”

    “NMshooter”Looks the same as the air Venturi that Pyramid is selling. Might want to give it a look. This compressor goes under several brand names.

    It is similar but the Hatsan adds several very desirable features that the Air Venturi lacks. It has the gold high pressure desiccant filter built in whereas the AV requires you to buy your own. It has a a digital pressure gauge that can be set to read in either PSI or BAR. It has an automatic moisture purge that can be set for time between purges as well as duration of purge time.  The digital cooling system temperature gauge reads in Fahrenheit. All of these features are worth waiting for.  It includes all of the other standard features of the AV.  

    
Im willing to bet the filter on the hatsan compressor is the exact same one on the AV just gold colored instead of black. The only thing the Hatsan compressor has that the AV doesnt is the auto purge. Some people care about auto purge and some dont. 

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    Rodeo
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    Maybe the price on the AV will come down a little when the Hatsan Lightning becomes available.  Of course the Hatsan might wind up retailing for more than the current proposed price.

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    Centercut
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    I agree with @ldp concerning the filter. It certainly doesn’t look like the “gold” filter we’ve been using with Zeolite. It appears to be the same as the AV, with the cotton tampon inside. The “built in dessicant filter” is the same as the Tuxing outlet valve block, pretty much useless, holds about 20 to 25 beads tops, enough for maybe one fill if you’re lucky. Best thing to do with that is to remove the silica beads that come with it before they become wet and cause corrosion, and replace with another small cotton tampon filter. If you buy the Hatsan, it’ll still be a good idea to add a “gold” filter with Zeolite 13X. 
    ​The Hatsan still appears to be built on the Tuxing two cylinder platform, as is the AV, but adds the digital gage/control center and the auto blowdown feature.  Right now, for the money, the best deal in compressors is the “like new” Daystate 115vac models they have at AoA for $1895. And the runner up, in my book, would be the Alpha Carette (AC). 

    ​In all fairness in disclosure, I do not own the Daystate or AC compressors. I own a two cylinder Tuxing which has worked well for about 1/2 a year now, no problems. I do have the “gold” filter that I use with 13X Zeolite and “salt” the beads with color changing Silica beads. Its hard to accrue much run time since it tops off my 60 min (88 cubic feet) SCBA tanks very quickly, less than 15 minutes normally from 3200 to 4500 psi. I only have about 4 hours run time on mine. The cooling system modifications I made are working great with no issues or problems.

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    texagdds
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    So for 1895, why not go with the omega over the Daystate?  Looks like it would be less maintenance and more features. 

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    Humdinger
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    “texagdds”So for 1895, why not go with the omega over the Daystate?  Looks like it would be less maintenance and more features. 

    
That is easy to answer. The Daystate is a built like a dive compressor with 3 stages, air cooling, steel piston rings, and will last for years with just oil changes. The Omega is basically a motorized hand pump design with rubber o ring seals. IMO, the Daystate is the best bang for the buck compressor at $1895 and the Omega family of compressors is the absolute worst value in compressors.  The Omega is akin to the now obsolete FX compressor design of 15 years ago.  That’s why it sounds like a washing machine when running.. If it ran faster it would melt its rubber o-rings.  The Daystate is a Rolex and the Omega is a Timex. If you want at a compressor for long term usage, the Daystate is built to last. It is also much easier to maintain. Look at the Youtube video from AoA on rebuilding an Omega. I don’t want a bag of rubber o-rings that requires an extremely complicated teardown to rebuild an $1895 compressor.   In previous threads on this forum, owners have had expensive shipment and rebuild charges to replace the rubber o-ring seals on Omegas.  It isn’t a long term durable design like the Daystate/Coltri.

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    texagdds
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    Great insight. 

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    “Humdinger”

    “texagdds”So for 1895, why not go with the omega over the Daystate?  Looks like it would be less maintenance and more features. 

    
That is easy to answer. The Daystate is a built like a dive compressor with 3 stages, air cooling, steel piston rings, and will last for years with just oil changes. The Omega is basically a motorized hand pump design with rubber o ring seals. IMO, the Daystate is the best bang for the buck compressor at $1895 and the Omega family of compressors is the absolute worst value in compressors.  The Omega is akin to the now obsolete FX compressor design of 15 years ago.  That’s why it sounds like a washing machine when running.. If it ran faster it would melt its o-rings.  The Daystate is a Mercedes,  the Omega is a Yugo. If you want at a compressor for long term usage, the Daystate is built to last. It is also easier to maintain. Look at the rebuild video from AoA on rebuilding an Omega. I don’t want a bag of o-rings with an $1895 compressor. 

    
I have the Carette but with what I now know I should of got the Daystate. I have no problems with the Carette but I don’t like dealing with their one us dealer.

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    Centercut
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    @humdinger I totally agree. Good points all. 

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    “Centercut”I agree with @ldp concerning the filter. It certainly doesn’t look like the “gold” filter we’ve been using with Zeolite. It appears to be the same as the AV, with the cotton tampon inside. The “built in dessicant filter” is the same as the Tuxing outlet valve block, pretty much useless, holds about 20 to 25 beads tops, enough for maybe one fill if you’re lucky. Best thing to do with that is to remove the silica beads that come with it before they become wet and cause corrosion, and replace with another small cotton tampon filter. If you buy the Hatsan, it’ll still be a good idea to add a “gold” filter with Zeolite 13X. 
    ​The Hatsan still appears to be built on the Tuxing two cylinder platform, as is the AV, but adds the digital gage/control center and the auto blowdown feature.  Right now, for the money, the best deal in compressors is the “like new” Daystate 115vac models they have at AoA for $1895. And the runner up, in my book, would be the Alpha Carette (AC). 
    ​In all fairness in disclosure, I do not own the Daystate or AC compressors. I own a two cylinder Tuxing which has worked well for about 1/2 a year now, no problems. I do have the “gold” filter that I use with 13X Zeolite and “salt” the beads with color changing Silica beads. Its hard to accrue much run time since it tops off my 60 min (88 cubic feet) SCBA tanks very quickly, less than 15 minutes normally from 3200 to 4500 psi. I only have about 4 hours run time on mine. The cooling system modifications I made are working great with no issues or problems.

    
When you say “The Hatsan still appears to be built on the Tuxing two cylinder platform, as is the AV”   Do you mean it’s a similar design idea or that it’s the same compressor with the same manufacture origin just with different badging (like Chevy, GMC)?  Because if that’s the case I’d say screw it and get the tuxing for cheaper.        

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    “texagdds”So for 1895, why not go with the omega over the Daystate?  Looks like it would be less maintenance and more features. 

    
That is easy to answer. The Daystate is a built like a dive compressor with 3 stages, air cooling, steel piston rings, and will last for years with just oil changes. The Omega is basically a motorized hand pump design with rubber o ring seals. IMO, the Daystate is the best bang for the buck compressor at $1895 and the Omega family of compressors is the absolute worst value in compressors.  The Omega is akin to the now obsolete FX compressor design of 15 years ago.  That’s why it sounds like a washing machine when running.. If it ran faster it would melt its o-rings.  The Daystate is a Mercedes,  the Omega is a Yugo. If you want at a compressor for long term usage, the Daystate is built to last. It is also easier to maintain. Look at the rebuild video from AoA on rebuilding an Omega. I don’t want a bag of o-rings with an $1895 compressor. 

    
I have the Carette but with what I now know I should of got the Daystate. I have no problems with the Carette but I don’t like dealing with their one us dealer.

    
 I have the Carette and feel that it is a great design and is a quality compressor with lots of convenience features users want.  I’m sure you’ll take proper care of your investment  If so you won’t ever have to deal with the self designated “airgun scientist” for service.  

     

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I have the Carette but with what I now know I should of got the Daystate. I have no problems with the Carette but I don’t like dealing with their one us dealer.

    
 I have the Carette and feel that it is a great design and is a quality compressor with lots of convenience features users want.  I’m sure you’ll take proper care of your investment  If so you won’t ever have to deal with the self designated “airgun scientist” for service.  
     ……………….yea good luck on dealing with JB/airgun scientist, I purchased a guppy tank /w both gauges a few years ago supposed to be slow fill , it is not , JB says ship it back , he will fix it , with me paying shipping both ways , didn’t happen, as I didn’t feel like paying for shipping = 3 times.. fast forward to late summer last year , I purchased a Alpha filter at a forum member discount, for $ 299 plus shipping  with the stipulation that it would hook up to my Carette , I told his salesman that I was an earlybird buyer from china,  & he said no problem, so I got a money order & sent avoiding C/C fees , when I received the filter it would not hook up to the Carette, so I called & the salesman  stated , You DID NOT GET THE Carette from us,  no offer of help, all they had to do was send me the correct fitting, & I would have been a happy customer, but no .. so some time goes by , & a friend /forum member started trying to help me & suggested calling  Jb  to ask what thread the male Q/C was  , Jb ask me to send a pic , which I did ,  & after no response from voice mails or texts  , I gave up , the only reason that my Carette is operating  is because of the help from this great forum member/ friend , that i have  never met….  but took it on himself to help me out.. if my Carette quits working , I will throw it in the junk pile before I will deal with the Airgun scientist again , good luck guys if you deal w/JB.. he is quick to deal with at first, but will leave you hanging if it were to cost him afterwards……….

     

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    “texagdds”

    “Centercut”I agree with @ldp concerning the filter. It certainly doesn’t look like the “gold” filter we’ve been using with Zeolite. It appears to be the same as the AV, with the cotton tampon inside. The “built in dessicant filter” is the same as the Tuxing outlet valve block, pretty much useless, holds about 20 to 25 beads tops, enough for maybe one fill if you’re lucky. Best thing to do with that is to remove the silica beads that come with it before they become wet and cause corrosion, and replace with another small cotton tampon filter. If you buy the Hatsan, it’ll still be a good idea to add a “gold” filter with Zeolite 13X. 
    ​The Hatsan still appears to be built on the Tuxing two cylinder platform, as is the AV, but adds the digital gage/control center and the auto blowdown feature.  Right now, for the money, the best deal in compressors is the “like new” Daystate 115vac models they have at AoA for $1895. And the runner up, in my book, would be the Alpha Carette (AC). 
    ​In all fairness in disclosure, I do not own the Daystate or AC compressors. I own a two cylinder Tuxing which has worked well for about 1/2 a year now, no problems. I do have the “gold” filter that I use with 13X Zeolite and “salt” the beads with color changing Silica beads. Its hard to accrue much run time since it tops off my 60 min (88 cubic feet) SCBA tanks very quickly, less than 15 minutes normally from 3200 to 4500 psi. I only have about 4 hours run time on mine. The cooling system modifications I made are working great with no issues or problems.

    
When you say “The Hatsan still appears to be built on the Tuxing two cylinder platform, as is the AV”   Do you mean it’s a similar design idea or that it’s the same compressor with the same manufacture origin just with different badging (like Chevy, GMC)?  Because if that’s the case I’d say screw it and get the tuxing for cheaper.        

    
Its the same thing. Same motor, motor head, controller, compressor, frame, 2 cylinders,  etc. They added the on board water reservoir, digital gauge, and auto purge. The meat and potatoes are still identical. 

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