Anybody still like the Weihrauch HW100? I do.

I reckon I've had my HW100 for near 10 years now. It's gone through a few changes and iterations over the years, but I think I finally have it where I need it. The HW100 has been around a long time, since around 2004 I believe, and mine is one of those from 2004. The OG precharged gun from Weihrauch LOL! Mine has the superbly block shaped stock, and was originally not even a quickfill cylinder or threaded for a moderator.

These guns have a lot going for them, and are still a viable contender in the PCP arena in my opinion. I haven't shot a gun yet that can touch the magazine system or the trigger. And how many other rifles were regulated right out of the box in 2004? 

However, they have a few traits that aren't as desirable that I have noticed. Here are a few:

1) They just aren't great at high power. Face it, they just aren't designed as a high power FAC level gun. When pushed to the limit the shot count really suffers as they only have 175ishCC on board. 

2) The earlier .22s had iffy barrels. The bore was oversized, and the choke too tight. Personally I believe that HW STILL can't make a decent .22 barrel, but that's for another day. I bought mine at a good price long time back because I knew it had accuracy issues. The .177s seem to be great. 

3) Heavy. Never bothered me, all my guns are heavy. It's built like a tank. 

All that said, a modern one should take care of most of that, except the heavy part. But seriously, just man up and we are already down to two gripes.

I sent mine to Allen Zasadny to have a Lothar Walther barrel fitted and a shroud made a few years ago. At the time I also added an FX airtube for 240cc of air VS the 175cc of the OEM tube plus a little weight savings. The gun was set to shoot around 24fpe and was whisper quiet. But, it was very particular about accuracy, and it was pretty long at 45 inches. And the dang airtube adapter plagued me with leaks that would come and go. I wasn't real thrilled with it overall.

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So sometime along the way, I removed the shroud and shortened the barrel down to 16 inches (from the muzzle, removing the choke!) and threaded it 1/2-20 for a moderator. Dropped the power to 18fpe, fiddled with the regulator up and down and all around, and the accuracy was pretty good with a couple pellets. Picky, as to be expected due to the lack of a choke. I also scored a factory rifle length airtube and reinstalled it at this time. But I hunted with it for a for a year and it performed alright. I liked it better than the full length shroud setup already.

Fast forward to last week and I decided to get the neglected old HW100 out that had been sitting in the safe for quite some time. I decided to do a little revamp on it. Here's what went down:

1) First order of business was cut and choke the barrel. I had done this a few times with great results on springers but this was the first time on a PCP. I went a little conservative at first, very light choke and only about the first 1/2". Went seemingly very well.

2) Then I threaded the muzzle and made the thread engagement tighter this time around. Also added an 11 degree full face crown.

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3) Add three extra grubscrews to the action to retain the barrel. Now this was totally uncalled for, as the single angled screw holds the barrel just fine. But with a gun built like this, and a slightly heavier than factory barrel, I felt that overkill was quite fitting. Easy job: 

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4) Address hammer bounce. These early guns when turned up and the regulator messed with can develop some hammer bounce. Not any more than any other PCP I guess, and I imagine it can be negated mostly with careful adjusting and chrony time. But I ain't that patient, and don't like wasting pellets. So, I shortened the hammer tip about .125" and reprofiled the tip to match the original. This way the hammer is essentially a "free flying" or "slingshot" hammer. At rest in the uncocked state, it is no longer resting on the firing valve. It smacks the valve the first time and then rebounds and dissipates any remaining energy without having enough to smack the valve to open it again. It actually works surprisingly well, and had no ill effects that I have found so far. It made a dramatic effect on the sound and feel of the shot, and seems to have boosted efficiency a good bit. The slow motion app on my phone shows it reducing bounce greatly. 

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5) Add an access hole to the rear of the action for easy power adjustments. All this required was a hole drilled in the backing plate, and a slot relieved into the stock with a round file. Now the power goes up or down easily with the turn of an allen wrench:

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6) Bring the power down to a level that this gun was born and bred for. I know that most everyone reading this will decide right now that at 13-14fpe I might as well just use this gun to drive fenceposts with. Truth is, I've come to love the high shot count, quiet shooting, and ease of use that a lower powered gun provides. I've hunted with airguns for almost 20 years, and I could have filled a wheelbarrow over the years with squirrels killed by a 8-12fpe .177 which is my preferred weapon. This is more than enough power, and our UK friends prove that everyday. At 14fpe, with this length barrel, this gun is really in it's prime. The new ones may have different hammer springs, and plenum volumes that make them sweeter at higher power, but this one is right at home here. So here she stays. Regulator is set at 95BAR

Accuracy after all these shenanigans looks very promising from the limited testing I have done so far. Lying prone out in a gravel driveway, off a bipod, with a 9X scope at 20 yards I was keeping groups under 3/8" with 4 different pellets on a dirty barrel. With lubed pellets and a scrub I bet it will be fine at longer range. If not, Ill play with the choke till I get it better or ruin the barrel. And the best part? I don't know the shot count exactly, but it's north of 100. And it's QUIET. Really quiet. At this setup it measures 35 inches without the moderator, and 39 1/2" overall with the DonnyFL Tanto. Handles really nice, balance is great. At some point I guess I will paint/blue/polish/let it rust the barrel and get a slightly less ugly moderator. But for now, it's good enough for a crusty old small game hunter like me. 

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Great job nice work thanks for sharing! You have the equipment to choke a barrel? Yo!

It doesn't take much. It's not as high tech as ya think. Just a piece of hex stock with a hole machined in it the OD of that barrel, and a slit cut in one spot. Put it in a 20 ton press and apply pressure and then turn the barrel 90 degrees and repeat. Push a pellet through to feel your progress. Barrels this thick are tough, very hard to go too tight. High tech huh? 

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I tried a computerized industrial hose crimper before but it didn't have the right sized die and wasn't quite strong enough to do it accurately. I may have access to a bigger one now so may try it again in the future.

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Looks like you have been werqing on that for awhile now. But once the mods begin is an airgun ever truly finished? Nice werq you have done on it thus far. I really like the DIY choke tool its great.

I have a Crosman 2240 that I have been modding for 20 years now. New trigger sear, breech, barrel, co2 tank, then PCP tank, then another breech, barrel and shroud etc. I keep thinking it is done now. That is until I think about something new that will make it better.

Thanks for the post
 
Looks like you have been werqing on that for awhile now. But once the mods begin is an airgun ever truly finished? Nice werq you have done on it thus far. I really like the DIY choke tool its great.

I have a Crosman 2240 that I have been modding for 20 years now. New trigger sear, breech, barrel, co2 tank, then PCP tank, then another breech, barrel and shroud etc. I keep thinking it is done now. That is until I think about something new that will make it better.

Thanks for the post

You're right! I was "finished" when I got it back with the shroud! Keep on tinkering my friend
 
Yes they sure are great guns I had two and still have the 177 it's 10 years old now and has the updated laminated stock.

I agree with your thoughts on these fine guns.
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Those new laminate stocks sure are good looking. Like the airtube setup in yours, looks like an A&M unit. I always did, and still do wish mine was a .177. I started to try and sell it to buy a .177 before, but backed out. 
 
It's awesome that you have an original hw100 from 2004. One of the reasons I chose the hw100 over many other rifles that I considered was that it was a tried and true platform that's been around a long time. There's really not a lot of bells and whistles to it either, just a rock solid gun that doesn't require lots of tinkering or modifications. 

I got the full length barrel with thumbhole walnut stock version in 177 about a month ago. This non carbine version also comes with a larger air tank. It arrived shooting way too hot for my liking. JSB and AA 10.34's were shooting over 1000 fps. This also limited the accuracy and caused a lot of fliers. I adjusted the reg back to 105 bar and tweaked the hs to where they are now shooting 890fps....right around 18 fpe. These pellets are incredibly accurate at this speed. I would go as far as to say even better than my brocock sniper hp in 22 with the lw polygonal barrel out to 40 yards. .5" groups at 40 yards are the norm given good conditions. I'm also getting 80 good regulated shots per fill. The weihrauch moderator that came with it makes it better than marauder quiet at this power level.

Overall, I absolutely love this gun. It doesn't have all the flexibility that my brocock or any other guns like fx and such may have. My plan is to set it up shooting one pellet at the optimal velocity and leave it. I think I'm about there with the 10.34 at 890 fps.
 
I’m looking at the .177 to start shooting Hunter class when I get home from Bahrain. Looking on AOA’s site, having a hard time figuring out what the barrel lengths are as some of the pics don’t seem to match the descriptions. What are the barrel lengths that are available and what would the overall lengths be? I’m thinking about the carbine version if it does indeed have the 16” barrel, although it would be nice to have the larger air tube, but I don’t want an overly long gun either. I like more of a compact style. Any help with the barrel lengths, overall lengths, and air tube size would be appreciated.

Keith
 
It's awesome that you have an original hw100 from 2004. One of the reasons I chose the hw100 over many other rifles that I considered was that it was a tried and true platform that's been around a long time. There's really not a lot of bells and whistles to it either, just a rock solid gun that doesn't require lots of tinkering or modifications. 

I got the full length barrel with thumbhole walnut stock version in 177 about a month ago. This non carbine version also comes with a larger air tank. It arrived shooting way too hot for my liking. JSB and AA 10.34's were shooting over 1000 fps. This also limited the accuracy and caused a lot of fliers. I adjusted the reg back to 105 bar and tweaked the hs to where they are now shooting 890fps....right around 18 fpe. These pellets are incredibly accurate at this speed. I would go as far as to say even better than my brocock sniper hp in 22 with the lw polygonal barrel out to 40 yards. .5" groups at 40 yards are the norm given good conditions. I'm also getting 80 good regulated shots per fill. The weihrauch moderator that came with it makes it better than marauder quiet at this power level.

Overall, I absolutely love this gun. It doesn't have all the flexibility that my brocock or any other guns like fx and such may have. My plan is to set it up shooting one pellet at the optimal velocity and leave it. I think I'm about there with the 10.34 at 890 fps.

I'm jealous of yours being a .177. Sounds like you have it dialed in and getting a great shot count! I believe the newer ones have a couple little upgrades inside, would be nice to have a newer one like yours. Enjoy it!
 
I’m looking at the .177 to start shooting Hunter class when I get home from Bahrain. Looking on AOA’s site, having a hard time figuring out what the barrel lengths are as some of the pics don’t seem to match the descriptions. What are the barrel lengths that are available and what would the overall lengths be? I’m thinking about the carbine version if it does indeed have the 16” barrel, although it would be nice to have the larger air tube, but I don’t want an overly long gun either. I like more of a compact style. Any help with the barrel lengths, overall lengths, and air tube size would be appreciated.

Keith

Heres what I gather from looking into a new one a few weeks ago, and this is how they have always been configured:

There are only two airtube sizes, Carbine and Rifle length. And two stocks, Carbine and Rifle.

The barrel length is either 310mm (12.2"), 410mm (16"), or 600mm (23.6")

In a Carbine you have the 310mm barrel for the 12fpe version, and the 410mm for the FAC version.

In a Rifle you have the 410mm barrel for the 12fpe version, and the 600mm for the FAC version.

The new synthetic thumbholes seem to break that formula going by the pics, but there aren't specs on Weihrauchs site. To me, the synthetic thumbholes look to have a Rifle length airtube, and a 410mm (16") barrel. I base this on the fact that it is basically the same length as my rifle above and my barrel is around 16" and has the Rifle length airtube. 

To me, getting a Carbine version in FAC is pointless because you basically have a Rifle length gun due to the barrel, but get stuck with the small airtube. Worst of both worlds. 

The Rifle length gun in 12fpe (16J) is the way to go IMO because you get the most air and the shortest barrel that will fit with that airtube. And that is essentially what my rifle is above, and the synthetics appear to be on the AoA website only they are FAC power. But if you want high power, that may not be the best fit for you. The longer barrels help build power with better efficiency. Check out @dreamweaver post above, it sounds like he has the Rifle airtube and the longest 600mm barrel. If you are shooting Hunter class you will probably want the power near 19fpe about the same as him. He gets 80 shots to a fill on the big airtube, if you had a Carbine and the short barrel at that power it would be much less. 

Consider the shot count if you won't be able to refill during a match.

So to answer your question, the rifles on the AoA site all appear to have either 410mm (16") or 600mm (23.6") barrels. Their specs look to match the pics to me.


 
I believe the full length version that I have has a 24" barrel. I opted for this version because even with the larger air tube, it is only supposed to get 40 shots. Turning power down to 18 fpe yields 80 good regulated shots. I would bet the carbine would get around 60 shots if you set it up with a similar tune.

Wow!, 24” barrel is super long. Is that just the barrel or does that length include the shroud or attached moderator? Did you get the shrouded version or the unshrouded with the moderator? Some of the videos I have been watching showed one guy over the pond getting his best results with RWS super dome. Sub 12fpe, but the group was2 pellets wide at 27yds I think it was.

Keith
 
The 24" is the barrel alone. It's not shrouded. It's a very thick wall, heavy barrel, which has it's benefits(robust, poi shouldn't change with every little bump) and drawbacks(heavy). The moderator adds another 6" or so. It is a long and heavy gun for sure, but I primarily shoot off a bench, so I don't care.

Here's a pic of it next to my brocock sniper hp, which also has a 24" barrel and sumo moderator. The brocock is considered a semi bullpup, hence why it's overall a shorter gun.
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