To each his own. I prefer ANYTHING from the NRA vs the other group of folks you mention. And as noted I'm not a big NRA fan.
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To each his own. I prefer ANYTHING from the NRA vs the other group of folks you mention. And as noted I'm not a big NRA fan.
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Sir,
Would you be so kind as to explain a bit about you gun/ air gun laws? Pretty sure yours will be the model we will adopt.
Thanks in advance
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I dropped out of the NRA several years ago. Crucify me if you must but there are 120 million gun owners in this country and 5 million NRA members. It is time to start asking why so many people who love this sport will no longer support the NRA. I joined in 1972 when the organization supported sportsmen. Things have totally changed. Now it all politics and more money for the gun manufacturers. The average guy no longer matters.
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This is certainly each persons individual right to decide, and nothing to be crucified for. Simply differences of opinion. Hopefully you and others who agree with you are correct. My view is that the NRA, in spite of all it's many faults, is one of the only organized entities and certainly the loudest mouthpiece available to those 120 million gun owners. Hoping all will be fine without the NRA as that does seem to possibly be the road we are on.
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"...As for political action, as soon as you play the NRA card with any liberal politician, all meaningful dialog is over, they are simply going to oppose anything the NRA sponsors..."
I taught Hunter Education Safety and Ethics for years in one of the most liberal/progressive states in the US. I had to apply to the state and as a condition of acceptance, I had to sign an oath that I would not disparage the state - at any time, under penalty of law. The other condition; successfully complete the NRA Range Safety officer course!
I'm not sure what that means, but the NRA is the sum of it's members; isn't it? They don't run on air, either; a group which seeks to affect or protect us from undue burden and legislation must have a lobbying group - as the saying goes, "I didn't make the world, just live in it".
Yes, there is an election every year and you select your preference for appointment by ballot. This democratic process is very common in our country and within the NRA there are a lot of members with different interests - hunting, target shooting, self defense, etc....
It's your personal decision not to support the shooting sports, sportsman and the majority of the 120 million who I suspect own guns for self defense, but don't contribute is duly noted - as is your decision to "Self crucify" - it's a free ride for those who choose not to support the efforts; apparently since 1972 in this case. The organization is the largest advocate of the "collective" shooting sports I am aware of which are, by definition, practiced by sportsmen and women. The NRA is by far, the largest supporter of legal gun ownership and preserving the right to self defense with firearms as well. Yes, funds are used to finance expenses and pay huge salaries to lobbyists - wine and dine, etc., but so are are the groups trying to take your rights - when I I studied business administration, one of the first common rules taught was that monetary compensation is the only known source of motivation; I feel there are exceptions, but that's what they taught. As the old saying goes, "You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts".
I taught Hunter Education Safety and Ethics for years in one of the most liberal/progressive states in the US. I had to apply to the state and as a condition of acceptance, I had to sign an oath that I would not disparage the state - at any time, under penalty of law. The other condition; successfully complete the NRA Range Safety officer course!
I'm not sure what that means, but the NRA is the sum of it's members; isn't it? They don't run on air, either; a group which seeks to affect or protect us from undue burden and legislation must have a lobbying group - as the saying goes, "I didn't make the world, just live in it".
Yes, there is an election every year and you select your preference for appointment by ballot. This democratic process is very common in our country and within the NRA there are a lot of members with different interests - hunting, target shooting, self defense, etc....
It's your personal decision not to support the shooting sports, sportsman and the majority of the 120 million who I suspect own guns for self defense, but don't contribute is duly noted - as is your decision to "Self crucify" - it's a free ride for those who choose not to support the efforts; apparently since 1972 in this case. The organization is the largest advocate of the "collective" shooting sports I am aware of which are, by definition, practiced by sportsmen and women. The NRA is by far, the largest supporter of legal gun ownership and preserving the right to self defense with firearms as well. Yes, funds are used to finance expenses and pay huge salaries to lobbyists - wine and dine, etc., but so are are the groups trying to take your rights - when I I studied business administration, one of the first common rules taught was that monetary compensation is the only known source of motivation; I feel there are exceptions, but that's what they taught. As the old saying goes, "You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts".
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Micro,
You are obviously an NRA supporter, and I respect your position. I don't know if the courts will accept the NRA bankruptcy filing. Assuming they do, I hope the outcome might be the spinoff of an entity that solely represents the gun owning public in the interest of the shooting sports, with politics relegated to a separate and unaffiliated entity. As I look at the NRA org chart, I realize this isn't likely. There is just too much money directed to the pockets of folks whose interests are not primarily our interests. That said, I realize we have to choose our best available resources.
You are obviously an NRA supporter, and I respect your position. I don't know if the courts will accept the NRA bankruptcy filing. Assuming they do, I hope the outcome might be the spinoff of an entity that solely represents the gun owning public in the interest of the shooting sports, with politics relegated to a separate and unaffiliated entity. As I look at the NRA org chart, I realize this isn't likely. There is just too much money directed to the pockets of folks whose interests are not primarily our interests. That said, I realize we have to choose our best available resources.
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Sure, and I appreciate your comments - I'm not a crusader; but my introduction to the NRA in an official position was required by an extremely anti-gun, anti-NRA leftist government - the irony is stunning. Look, the NRA is under attack by a New York AG; that should be a cause for suspicion. I don't know all of the details, and relying on the media for the facts is well...I'd rather believe the NRA than the media if I had to choose. I do know that the NRA has two wings; one is concerned with training, coaching and supporting a dizzying assortment of shooting interests; the other is political and concerned with legislation. I'm not here to defend the NRA, just posting the facts as I know them, and I'm aware this is not a political debate.
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If he thinks the NRA was the pinnacle of Russian infiltration, he needs to read more. Kind of laughable that a spy joined the NRA haha. I wish more did maybe they would make it better. Just wait till he finds out who Eric Swalwell bed. All laughing aside, most 2A advocates don't rely on the NRA to help. It is nice if they do, but if we relied only on them our rights would be gone already. Individuals make and break rights. Hence the reason airgunners need to be unreproachable in conduct by being law abiding shooters. Airgunners need to grow the sport also. So I say, get your friends and family shooting airguns. It is as American as hotdogs. Do it safely, and conduct yourself as though a camera is on you for a safety video. We don't beat them with money. We beat them with joy for our sport. I don't care about the NRA. I care about us having fun.
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Wait til he finds out a Chinese spy was senator Feinstein's driver for twenty years. Obviously not well informed
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I use multiple sources for my news. Funny how they all tell their share of lies. Kinda like politicians both breeding lives and fear.
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Definition of divide and conquer: to make a group of people disagree and fight with one another so that they will not join together against one
The translation from Latin is also known as: “Divide and Rule.”
Kind of appropriate, don’t you think?
When you wake up one day and find your right to shoot the airgun of your choice, will you whine and complain? Will 12 ft/lb and only .177 be enough?
I may not like the what’s happening internally at the NRA, but I do like my 2A Rights. If they will not be around to defend your right to own and shoot what you like, then who will? Do you think some spineless politicians will be there to stand up for your rights and interests? LOL.
Look at the responses in this thread. The anti-gunners have already won. Game set match.
“One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.” — Nicholas Machiavelli
The translation from Latin is also known as: “Divide and Rule.”
Kind of appropriate, don’t you think?
When you wake up one day and find your right to shoot the airgun of your choice, will you whine and complain? Will 12 ft/lb and only .177 be enough?
I may not like the what’s happening internally at the NRA, but I do like my 2A Rights. If they will not be around to defend your right to own and shoot what you like, then who will? Do you think some spineless politicians will be there to stand up for your rights and interests? LOL.
Look at the responses in this thread. The anti-gunners have already won. Game set match.
“One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.” — Nicholas Machiavelli
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Thanks for not making me type my same thoughts. Well said. Good, bad or indifferent, we would be in a lot worse shape today without the NRA.
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Spot on!!!
Support the NRA, GOA, and FPC. When Bloomberg and his diggle berries are spending dollars to make you look bad, then you are doing something right.
"Shall not infringe" Pretty easing to understand.
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Cornpone, that was an honest question, I was not passing judgement.
ps, I would not wish UK firearms law upon you. nor would I suggest you "adopt" it.
ps, I would not wish UK firearms law upon you. nor would I suggest you "adopt" it.
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i did not know that, and think its very appropriate for this day and age!!! really just commenting on that quote.
the rest of the discussion - its nice to see folks staying pretty civil on a heated topic
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