And STILL they refuse to do it!!!

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Gerry52

Gerry52

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With the almost countless combination of types of guns, barrels, ammo & shooting disciplines WHY WON'T PELLET MANUFACTURERS put ALL pellet info on their containers? I read over & over again on this forum about pellets not fitting in this or that gun or magazine. Is it so frigging hard for them to include LENGTH of pellets along with caliber & weight? WTF JSB, H&N, etc.? I posted about this 2 years ago hoping there might be enough outcry from people to instigate a change from the manufacturers but NOPE, not yet. One of my pet peeves, anyone else? Done ranting. Everyone stay safe & shoot straight! 
 
AH ... so you wish to pay more $$$ for our already overpriced pellets ?



Compounded by what likely would be tough to argue ... that quality guns with quality barrels shoot most pellets quite well. It is the economy guns with sketchy barrels most have trouble with.



Not looking to pick a fight. just as a professional tuner this "Opinion" is experience based.



AS TO MARKING TINS ? ...... hell the manufacturers of said pellets can't maintain tight enough specs Die to Die or Lot to Lot yet alone match them to a correctly matching I.D. label if they had it !

Can of worms right there !!!
 
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AH ... so you wish to pay more $$$ for our already overpriced pellets ?



Compounded by what likely would be tough to argue ... that quality guns with quality barrels shoot most pellets quite well. It is the economy guns with sketchy barrels most have trouble with.



Not looking to pick a fight. just as a professional tuner this "Opinion" is experience based.



AS TO MARKING TINS ? ...... hell the manufacturers of said pellets can't maintain tight enough specs Die to Die or Lot to Lot yet alone match them to a correctly matching I.D. label if they had it !

Can of worms right there !!!
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Quality barrels? This may be a bit off topic, but it still applies. Most everyone throws away perfectly good German K98K barrels because they are "not good quality" yet this was the 1st group on paper for my Oberndorf Classic M98 that I put together with a war surplus take off barrel. And it will do this with any 200gr bullet I have tried with different powders as long as I push the Mv to around 2700fps with a lightly compressed load density.. There's a lot more to accuracy than just the barrel.





Some of the most accurate out of the box centerfire rifle are inexpensive Savage bolt actions.




 
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Living on fixed income makes ordering "unusable" pellets sting a bit more! If they'd just include that info on their website it would suffice. They don't even have to go as far as printing new containers! Accuracy varies from gun to gun & pellet type to pellet type but knowing if they'd fit in a magazine in the 1st place isn't asking too much. (IMHO)
 
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AH ... so you wish to pay more $$$ for our already overpriced pellets ?



Compounded by what likely would be tough to argue ... that quality guns with quality barrels shoot most pellets quite well. It is the economy guns with sketchy barrels most have trouble with.



Not looking to pick a fight. just as a professional tuner this "Opinion" is experience based.



AS TO MARKING TINS ? ...... hell the manufacturers of said pellets can't maintain tight enough specs Die to Die or Lot to Lot yet alone match them to a correctly matching I.D. label if they had it !

Can of worms right there !!!
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Quality barrels? This may be a bit off topic, but it still applies. Most everyone throws away perfectly good German K98K barrels because they are "not good quality" yet this was the 1st group on paper for my Oberndorf Classic M98 that I put together with a war surplus take off barrel. And it will do this with any 200gr bullet I have tried with different powders as long as I push the Mv to around 2700fps with a lightly compressed load density.. There's a lot more to accuracy than just the barrel.





Some of the most accurate out of the box centerfire rifle are inexpensive Savage bolt actions.



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Now here ya go 100% off topic ... is this a POWDER BURNER FORUM ? ... NO it is not !!

Does this post have ANY relevance to what you quoted ? ... NO it does not.



Back to air guns and those speaking in the same language please
 
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AH ... so you wish to pay more $$$ for our already overpriced pellets ?



Compounded by what likely would be tough to argue ... that quality guns with quality barrels shoot most pellets quite well. It is the economy guns with sketchy barrels most have trouble with.



Not looking to pick a fight. just as a professional tuner this "Opinion" is experience based.



AS TO MARKING TINS ? ...... hell the manufacturers of said pellets can't maintain tight enough specs Die to Die or Lot to Lot yet alone match them to a correctly matching I.D. label if they had it !

Can of worms right there !!!
Click to expand...

Quality barrels? This may be a bit off topic, but it still applies. Most everyone throws away perfectly good German K98K barrels because they are "not good quality" yet this was the 1st group on paper for my Oberndorf Classic M98 that I put together with a war surplus take off barrel. And it will do this with any 200gr bullet I have tried with different powders as long as I push the Mv to around 2700fps with a lightly compressed load density.. There's a lot more to accuracy than just the barrel.





Some of the most accurate out of the box centerfire rifle are inexpensive Savage bolt actions.



Click to expand...

Now here ya go 100% off topic ... is this a POWDER BURNER FORUM ? ... NO it is not !!

Does this post have ANY relevance to what you quoted ? ... NO it does not.



Back to air guns and those speaking in the same language please
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Don't get your panties in a twist. The subject YOU brought up was barrels. 



YOU made the comment that only high end barrels will shoot constantly with a variety of projectiles which is not necessarily true, be it powder burners or pneumatic. Both are depending on expanding gases.

In fact, I would say that the barrel would be far less of a factor in accuracy when the far more numerous factors present in an air rifle are taken into account. Not saying the barrel is not a factor, I'm saying that tuning a pneumatic rifle will be far more complicated with all of the "mechanical" happening at the time of launching the projectile. It's a lot more complicated than a falling firing pin igniting a primer.

That being said, the laws of physics apply in either case. They are no different for a projectile launched with expanding air or expanding powder gases. Rate of twist, projectile weight, ballistic coefficient, length, revolutions per second, all apply equally to both.
 
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i know theres not alot of calibers available yet, but one point a guy made that owned a full auto blitz was all those pellets he never used are perfect to burn up in that .. those things can eat a 500 tin in no time - 100 rounds per fill and 20 round clips .. yeah .. empties a clip in about 1 second flat lol ... sounds like just what ya need lol ..
 
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Wow that went south quick. To motorboats’s point pellets are cheaper compared to center fire bullets by a lot, pellets fly sub sonic with very wide range of speed, it’s drag stabilized so the G1 BC on pellets aren’t really all that accurate especially due to the wide range of speed people shoot them at. I for example shoot pellets down to 450FPS. So in reality not only it’s a cost thing but the numbers aren’t really useful or accurate for everyone. To motorboat’s other point a good pellet barrel has enough choke to shape/size pellets more consistently so pellet don’t have to be that precisely made and they mostly aren’t made to great precision like center fire bullets with milled points at over 5 dollars a pop. 


then all the info on popular brands can be easily found on google, once found I just save them in my ballistic app and done. I personally haven’t found any need for any outcry yet. 






 
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Why not start a spreadsheet right here on AGN?? 

We could sticky the thread and anyone who calipers a new round can upload a pic and add it to list. So there will be a pic of all the rounds being measured and a full list as quick reference.

I agree it's a problem, but it's one WE can solve without waiting for pellet/slug manufacturers to get their act together.

Just a thought.
 
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