Am I Expecting too much from Crosman Pellets?

I have found the CPHP shoots quite well in my rifles, acceptable for backyard pesting for sure and at such a price point I use them to trim tree branches.



One thing this subject sadly brought to light is the unpleasant insults pointed at the OP, ?? Even in this somewhat small group of folks in a niche hobby there exists those that hide behind a keyboard to be unnecessarily rude and derogatory for no real reason than perhaps to make their own self feel superior. Kudos though for you attempts to shroud them with creative use of words. 



To the OP I found it interesting that you provided facts to back up what I for on have suspected regarding CPHP pellets.

Excuse me? The OP asked a question and got answers, some he didn't like. The simple reality is you have no right or reason to expect top quality when you are only willing to spend the absolute bare minimum. Nobody insulted the OP.

I'm in Minneapolis, MN. Feel free to come find me and tell me how you feel. Or continue to hide behind your keyboard.

Has anyone done any kind of study demonstrating a direct link between head size and accuracy down to the limits of our ability to measure, or is an assumption being made that ANY measurable variation results in a change in impact point? As well, is there any data to suggest a difference of hundredth or tenths of a grain directly results in a measurable change in impact point?
 
I have found the CPHP shoots quite well in my rifles, acceptable for backyard pesting for sure and at such a price point I use them to trim tree branches.



One thing this subject sadly brought to light is the unpleasant insults pointed at the OP, ?? Even in this somewhat small group of folks in a niche hobby there exists those that hide behind a keyboard to be unnecessarily rude and derogatory for no real reason than perhaps to make their own self feel superior. Kudos though for you attempts to shroud them with creative use of words. 



To the OP I found it interesting that you provided facts to back up what I for on have suspected regarding CPHP pellets.

Excuse me? The OP asked a question and got answers, some he didn't like. The simple reality is you have no right or reason to expect top quality when you are only willing to spend the absolute bare minimum. Nobody insulted the OP.

I'm in Minneapolis, MN. Feel free to come find me and tell me how you feel. Or continue to hide behind your keyboard.

Has anyone done any kind of study demonstrating a direct link betwern head size and accuracy down to the limits of our ability to measure, or is an assumption being made that ANY measurable variation results in a change in impact point? As well, is there any data to suggest a difference of hundredth or tenths of a grain directly results in a measurable change in impact point?

As far as insulting me. not to worry, I have a very thick skin. As for as answers I did not like, there were none that actually answered the question asked that I did not like. I asked to get members opinions and one member gave the answer Yes without attacking anyone or inviting them to personally meet them. No home address was provided however. How convenient. Now to answer your question if head size makes a difference. Well, if it doesn't then maybe you should contact H and N and tell them they are wasting their time making pellets in different head sizes. And by the way Air Venturi supplies Walmart with their H and N pellets as when I receive them they come with a packing slip from Air Venturi and are shipped in the foam collars. The bottom line is you could have answered the question by saying yes but you chose to take a confrontational attitude. Gee, I wonder why you are a negative one in the accuracy. Just kidding, Pretty sure I know.
 
The only Crosman pellets I've bought have been in the tins, no experience with the boxed pellets and will probably never have. I'd hate to buy a box them make crappie jigs out of them. When I first started in air rifles a couple years ago I bought some CPHP's for my 48 in .22 and they actually shot pretty good with few fliers. The last few tins I've bought in both 177 and 22 have been horrible, with at least one out of five being fliers. The head sizes are all over the place too, I tried shooting them in one of my 300's and several wouldn't fit in the breech. I'd shoot one or two then find one or two that wouldn't fit or were very tight, finally I just went on to other pellets. 



On a bright note the crappie aren't as fussy about head size or different weights as my 300.
 
I have found the CPHP shoots quite well in my rifles, acceptable for backyard pesting for sure and at such a price point I use them to trim tree branches.



One thing this subject sadly brought to light is the unpleasant insults pointed at the OP, ?? Even in this somewhat small group of folks in a niche hobby there exists those that hide behind a keyboard to be unnecessarily rude and derogatory for no real reason than perhaps to make their own self feel superior. Kudos though for you attempts to shroud them with creative use of words. 



To the OP I found it interesting that you provided facts to back up what I for on have suspected regarding CPHP pellets.

Excuse me? The OP asked a question and got answers, some he didn't like. The simple reality is you have no right or reason to expect top quality when you are only willing to spend the absolute bare minimum. Nobody insulted the OP.

I'm in Minneapolis, MN. Feel free to come find me and tell me how you feel. Or continue to hide behind your keyboard.

Has anyone done any kind of study demonstrating a direct link between head size and accuracy down to the limits of our ability to measure, or is an assumption being made that ANY measurable variation results in a change in impact point? As well, is there any data to suggest a difference of hundredth or tenths of a grain directly results in a measurable change in impact point?

This is the exact sophomoric garbage I was speaking of !! Feel free to find me and tell me how you feel !!! hahahahahhaha thanks for the verification and proof of what I was speaking about and the laughs !! Happy shooting tough guy, you have scared me off !!! bye !!!
 
Is the OP buying pellets to measure them or to shoot?

I choose not to shop at Walmart for the reasons laid out by the OP. IF you choose to shop at Walmart you have zero moral high ground. Especially when it comes to "demanding" some level of quality higher than you are willing to pay.

That said, I find Crosman wadcutters to group better with fewer fliers than the other pellets I've tried, regardless of brand.

I don't know how the OP is ignorant of this or how many other people don't know this but Walmart products are the bottom tier by Walmart intent. Manufacturers, at the behest of Walmart corporate, cheapen their Walmart offerings to the nth degree. Nobody shops at Walmart for the high quality merchandise. They shop Walmart because it's cheap.

If you want a quality product for your money stop shopping at Walmart.

It is a fact that the SKUs provided to WalMart and other big box stores are often different than the SKUs sold by premium / boutique retailers. I would suggest ordering some pellets from one of those latter retail channels and comparing them with the Walmart pellets.
 
Is the OP buying pellets to measure them or to shoot?

I choose not to shop at Walmart for the reasons laid out by the OP. IF you choose to shop at Walmart you have zero moral high ground. Especially when it comes to "demanding" some level of quality higher than you are willing to pay.

That said, I find Crosman wadcutters to group better with fewer fliers than the other pellets I've tried, regardless of brand.

I don't know how the OP is ignorant of this or how many other people don't know this but Walmart products are the bottom tier by Walmart intent. Manufacturers, at the behest of Walmart corporate, cheapen their Walmart offerings to the nth degree. Nobody shops at Walmart for the high quality merchandise. They shop Walmart because it's cheap.

If you want a quality product for your money stop shopping at Walmart.

It is a fact that the SKUs provided to WalMart and other big box stores are often different than the SKUs sold by premium / boutique retailers. I would suggest ordering some pellets from one of those latter retail channels and comparing them with the Walmart pellets.

This is very true and something I have known for quite a while. The H and N pellets I buy online from Walmart are the same SKU. But they are not sold on the shelves but are shipped from the same distributor that PA uses. The problem is you have to price check daily because they are usually much higher from Walmart than PA. but occasionally go as low as $11.15. What I have found when the SKU numbers are different is the main product and quality is equal but it is a different size or doesn't include something that another retailers offering. Two examples are, Morton softener salt nuggets are 44 lbs. at Sams Club when they are packaged 40 lbs. every where else. The other one I just experienced was a purchase of an I Robot. The one at Sams was the exact same but the virtual fence was not included. We called the manufacturer and they confirmed the product was the same except for that and sent us the fence free of charge. The fence runs about $50 so by not offering it Sams could sell at a lower price. One time this was mentioned about CCI ammo and so I called CCI and asked if the ammo going to Walmart was seconds and was lower quality than other retailers and was told not. While I had him on the phone I asked him why some lots of CCI std vel shot so well and some not so well. I told him I saw a bigger variation with these than HV. He told me that the Std Vel and their competion as well as their pistol match were all the same ammo. The difference was the high end stuff was tested each lot. Ammo that performed one way went to pistol match. Ammo that met the competion standard went there and the rest went to the reg standard velocity. But if they had enough of the better stuff and still had ammo that tested well it went out with the cheaper ammo. I checked the SKU on the pellets that I got from Walmart with the SKU listed on Baker Airguns website and they are the same but that doesn't mean they are the same quality. I guess to really find out what I should expect from Crosman pellets I will have to call Crosman which is what I will do sometime in the future and post it on this thread. Thank you for your comment, Gary