ALPHA 6 Scope On HW97 12fps Springer?

UTG Bugbuster is great on Springers. That is my go to. I am not a scope nerd really though so take that with a grain of salt as it is on the bottom of the price range. I think Hawk brand is also a low end that works on springers well.

At least they have a Lifetime Warranty.

I haven't even considered mounting any of my Alpha6 scopes onto springers except for a Diana 60 or 75 if I did.

There's others who mounted their Alpha6 onto their HW97s and hadn't reported any failures so far however it's rather early.

I wouldn't use a Hawke on a Springer perhaps except for their low magnification old school front focus models such as the Sport HD 3-9x40 or 50 AO and 2-7x32 AO. That's just me though.

Hawke Airmax scopes are made for springers, I have 4 on springers and haven't had any problems.

Hawke is hardly a low end brand with numerous models exceeding $700+. Airmax line is not the only springer rated scope in the Hawke lineup although some think so based on the name alone, virtually all are but some are rated for only up to 12fpe. As always ask the maker it's recommendation/warranty/guarantee for their product they should know and will or will not be the ones to back it up.

11 foot pounds HW97 is not a problem for that scope. That vibrations from factory springs and high power (22 foot pounds) like a RWS 48 will break a low end scopes. HW90's are prone to break low end scopes, even though they have no vibration like a standard RWS 48 or HW80, but 11 Foot pound HW97 is not much on any scope. I speak from experience. You gun would be considered low recoil.

If I had your gun, and I do own an Alpha 6 myself, I would not even hesitate to do so. I do put Hawke Airmax scope on all my springers, but all my springers that I own now are 15-22 foot pound guns. In 20 years I'm not sure If I can even remember an incident where an HW97 broke anything. 

Hi

It is important that the scope is a springer resistant model but it is more important to install an anti-recoil mount

Regards 

Enkey 

Personally, I consider pretty much any scope "springer rated" and just have at it. But, I don't have any harsh shooting Magnums either so keep that in mind. 

Funny, the ONLY scope I've had serious mechanical issues with was an Airmax. Biggest pile of crap I ever put on an airgun. The AO shifted the POI all over, turret adjustments would stick, and finally wouldn't hold zero. Sent it back to Hawke, they told me it was fine and just sent it back. In the trash, and I'll never own another Hawke. Was never impressed with their glass anyway, and certainly not their warranty. 

My point is, most scope manufacturers don't have any idea about a spring piston airgun. So their claims of "springer rated" may or may not be pulled out of thin air, and I wouldn't count on them to back it up. 

My advice, buy a scope, any scope, mount it, if it breaks send it back and tell them it was on a .308 Ruger. 

My opinion is if a scope breaks on a 12fpe HW97K, it's not a very good scope anyhow. 

Hi

It is important that the scope is a springer resistant model but it is more important to install an anti-recoil mount

Regards 

Enkey 

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Yeah I think I saw one @biohazardman posted. It was a near $50 I think, but for the life of me I can't find it. 

Hi

It is important that the scope is a springer resistant model but it is more important to install an anti-recoil mount

Regards 

Enkey 

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Yeah I think I saw one @biohazardman posted. It was a near $50 I think, but for the life of me I can't find it.

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Something like this:

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Bullseye_ZR_1_Pc_Mount_Fits_1_and_30mm_tubes_11mm_Dovetail_0_04_Droop_Compensation_Recoil_Compensation/5495

Absolutely untrue if you are speaking of the Dampa or Bullseye type mounts. Also they will not supplant a warranty of a non piston rated scope used on a piston gun just ask the scope maker. I have never used an anti recoil mount and have had one piston rated scope not operate correctly in more than 30 years. Still worked but for FT competition it was not as accurate as is necessary.

I don't shoot magnum springers, about 14-14.5 fpe is my max.

I have never installed any kind of recoil absorbing mount, and never killed a scope. YMMV

I tune all my guns ASAP and that helps.

You might try taking a look at Discovery scopes if you haven't already. The following 3 lines of their scopes are rated for spring piston airguns and you might find something in there that will possibly work for you:

HS series
HD series
ED series

They can be had from either Airgun Optics Plus: https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes

or AirgunArcheryFun: https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/discovery-scopes/, which is where I got the one I have since it was $50 cheaper than Airgun Optics Plus. 

BEWARE! KNOW WHICH DISCOVERY SCOPE YOU BUY SINCE THE MAJORITY OF THAT BRAND ONLY HAS A 3 YEAR WARRANTY!!!

FEW DO COME WITH LIFETIME WARRANTIES HOWEVER THEY AREN'T THE CHEAP ONES.

SOME OF THEM ARE REAL PIECES OF CRAP TOO SO BUY FROM RETURN FRIENDLY DEALERS.

THE NEW HAWKE FRONTIER WITH THE H7 GLASS IS SO CLEAR ITS THE LATEST HOLEY CRAP ITS CLEAR THAT THE ALPHA6 DIDN'T EASILY KICK ITS BUTT LIKE IT USUALLY DOES WITH OTHER CHINESE MADE SCOPES.

I WOULDN'T MOUNT IT ON A SPRINGER THOUGH.

I WOULDNT CLICK IT EITHER.

Yes, the Alpha 6 has held up well at 14 FPE. I still need a click or two with big weather changes, but once I set it for a shooting session it holds well.

Problem with sending anything back is paying for the shipping, waiting to get it back and possibly having nothing to replace it in the mean time. Another thing is if they deem nothing is wrong with it they can potentially send it back the same way. Really does pay to get something properly rated by the maker for the application you are going to use it for/on.

Problem is, they can't really check to see if it holds zero which is likely the problem you will have. A Hawke customer service guy told me this on the phone, with my busted scope in his hand. Sent the broken scope back. 

If you believe a manufacturer knows whether their scope is "springer rated", ask them what a "springer" is and then ask them to name one. 

Especially these days when every Tom, Dick, and Harry is starting up a scope company and simply renaming the same chinese made scopes and putting them in a different box. 

Problem seems to be some people think they know more about a product than the maker's do. If you think that no one in the R&D dept. knows what a springer is you would be miles off the mark. Call and ask to speak to someone there and see what the answer is! Springer rated does not mean you will never have a problem it means the scopes are built with the unique recoil in mind whereas most scopes are not. Do a bit of research and find many instances of guys ruining non piston rated scopes in a few tins or substantially less than that or have a scope constantly being "off". Will there be problems with piston rated scopes of course there will at some point. If something has moving parts at some point there is going to be a problem. Will there be a big difference on average of a well known rated scope vs a non rated scope, most certainly or the "rated" company's would be out of business and top rated shooters would not be using them to begin with.