There seems few posts regard Air Arms. Living in the UK I was wondering if this being a USA based forum if there is a reason for this?
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Just my two cents worth. Here a new Air Arms is in same ballpark cost wise as a new FX ,Kalibrgun,Vulcan , and others . Bullpup are currently hot here . And AA was a little slow to come on board .
I've had 3 AA , one carbine and two rifles . All shot well , but the fact they are unregulated , and mine all had some degree of POI shift is the thing that makes me pass them over .Fit,finish,and smoothness are all incredible ..But pretty is , as pretty does.
I've had 3 AA , one carbine and two rifles . All shot well , but the fact they are unregulated , and mine all had some degree of POI shift is the thing that makes me pass them over .Fit,finish,and smoothness are all incredible ..But pretty is , as pretty does.
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Air Arms builds rifles for the UK market. When tuned to a higher power for the US market the shot count goes down and they are not regulated. The location of the safety is just a side issue. In my opinion, there is no reason to not have regulators on high end rifles and it to shoot at least 40 shots per fill. When AA corrects this, they will sell a lot more rifles in the US. It sound like they plan these change for the Galahad, if they, do it might be my first AA rifle.
Doc
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It may be how you're looking at it. If you do a Forum search on all threads, Air Arms gets a total of 51 pages, Benjamin has 14 pages, Crosman has 53 pages, Daystate gets 64 pages, Hatsan shows 39 pages and FX has a whopping 201 pages. Again, these are pages with threads that mention these names specifically, but if you look in the PCP thread you'll see that the Air Arms Galahad thread has some of the most comments on the first three pages.
In terms of brand recognition, I don't think that Air Arms has the same following in the US as FX or even Daystate. Part of that is that FX has offered more in terms of power and design than Air Arms. While I'm not a bullpup, high tec, or military look fan by any means, a lot of US shooters are and until Air Arms developed the Galahad I don't think the US market looking for those features/styles took notice. Compare this to Daystate offering the Pulsar and the power/shot count of the Wolverine series which is what put them on the US radar.
Shooters in HFT most likely were the ones who knew of Air Arms (that is why I got my Air Arms), but when a custom build is the same as or just slightly more than an Air Arms or something like a Marauder which can be around $500 - 1,000 cheaper, most are going to choose the cheaper to "try" HFT out and if they like it, modify their gun or replace it with a custom or top of the line one. When it comes to air rifles, I think most US shooters will opt for the cheaper gun, but invest a bit more in the optics as that is something they can move to another air rifle or gun if it doesn't work out. When it comes to powder burners, the trend seems to be the opposite.
In terms of brand recognition, I don't think that Air Arms has the same following in the US as FX or even Daystate. Part of that is that FX has offered more in terms of power and design than Air Arms. While I'm not a bullpup, high tec, or military look fan by any means, a lot of US shooters are and until Air Arms developed the Galahad I don't think the US market looking for those features/styles took notice. Compare this to Daystate offering the Pulsar and the power/shot count of the Wolverine series which is what put them on the US radar.
Shooters in HFT most likely were the ones who knew of Air Arms (that is why I got my Air Arms), but when a custom build is the same as or just slightly more than an Air Arms or something like a Marauder which can be around $500 - 1,000 cheaper, most are going to choose the cheaper to "try" HFT out and if they like it, modify their gun or replace it with a custom or top of the line one. When it comes to air rifles, I think most US shooters will opt for the cheaper gun, but invest a bit more in the optics as that is something they can move to another air rifle or gun if it doesn't work out. When it comes to powder burners, the trend seems to be the opposite.
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"few posts regard Air Arms"
It's a newer forum and mostly just the latest greatest are currently discussed. ? .
Just my opinion, a few years ago AA was outstanding! Fit, finish and function were great, then, they tried to modernize I guess. Changed to the side lever - never understood why folks cant use a "bolt" but okay- and the less effective (WHY) shroud and a trigger that isn't too much to be proud of, safety ON the blade and a lesser trigger design to boot. And, when the MPR came out at under $600.00 US - with the good trigger & such- IT sold well, less then 24 months later and they are over $1,000 for exactlt the same rifle, didn't help sales. The EV-2 could be made an excellent rifle but you had to tweek things that should have been addressed at the factory. So needing to sort of shake up the market, they released the "twin tube" , oh ya.
And yes, no regulator, opps, that may be just fine for air guns on the lower end of the cost spectrum but isn't so popluar once you spend enough money and what with all the advances in other makers airguns.
They still seem to make a pretty airgun but , esp. in the US market, pretty doesn't necessarily create repeat customers.
I love our old AA410 with the very efficient 16mm shroud and macth quality trigger but wouldn't personally buy a new model.
John
It's a newer forum and mostly just the latest greatest are currently discussed. ? .
Just my opinion, a few years ago AA was outstanding! Fit, finish and function were great, then, they tried to modernize I guess. Changed to the side lever - never understood why folks cant use a "bolt" but okay- and the less effective (WHY) shroud and a trigger that isn't too much to be proud of, safety ON the blade and a lesser trigger design to boot. And, when the MPR came out at under $600.00 US - with the good trigger & such- IT sold well, less then 24 months later and they are over $1,000 for exactlt the same rifle, didn't help sales. The EV-2 could be made an excellent rifle but you had to tweek things that should have been addressed at the factory. So needing to sort of shake up the market, they released the "twin tube" , oh ya.
And yes, no regulator, opps, that may be just fine for air guns on the lower end of the cost spectrum but isn't so popluar once you spend enough money and what with all the advances in other makers airguns.
They still seem to make a pretty airgun but , esp. in the US market, pretty doesn't necessarily create repeat customers.
I love our old AA410 with the very efficient 16mm shroud and macth quality trigger but wouldn't personally buy a new model.
John
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I had an AA510 and loved it, but sold it to fund other projects. If AA adds a regulator to this gun, I could be convinced to buy another. Oh, and by the way AA, get rid of that ridiculous fill probe and put a Foster fitting on it. RAW sells a beautiful unit that I'm sure is cheaper to make than the complex gizmo you have on the guns now. One other thing-the magazine should be inserted on the right side so that we can use scopes with focusing wheels. We don't drive on the left over here.
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Absolutely love my s510 and 410 with bolt. I use mine for hunting and am extremely happy with shot count and accuracy. Took 35 squirrels with them this season. I would love it if it was regulated , but don't feel it needs one for hunting. I get 40 shots with the 510 before poi drops and 35 with the 410, which is more than adequate for hunting.
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All true for the pcp's world. But in springers...........they can't be beat out of the box. Only thing that comes close is the Lgu out of the box. Love my TX200! Very fine rifle.
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Just read the specs for the new Galahad. They will only offer a .25 caliber in the rifle version (not the bullpup or carbine) and it will only shoots 35 FPE. AA is really out of touch with the US market. We do not have the same restrictions as Europe but AA's R & D department can't seem to understand this. It's very sad as I really like the looks of the AA rifles but as I stated before, they need to be regulated, shoot at least 40 shots, and now have the FPE comparable to Cricket, Daystate, or FX.
Air Arms, if you would build a rifle for the US, I believe it would sell! Hope you are reading!
Doc
Air Arms, if you would build a rifle for the US, I believe it would sell! Hope you are reading!
Doc
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