Air Arms Where Art Thou???

I actually like the looks of the Galahad. But there are a lot of unfavorable reviews on it out there. Frankly with the quality and accuracy of the Eastern Eurpean guns, if they would elevate their fit and finish, add premium stocks, Fogedaboutit! As is, Vulcans already have very nice finished stocks. 

air arms rifles have amazing accuracy for the money spent on them with out no mods.
sometimes im amazed at the accuracy im getting at 25 50 and 100 yards

"scrane"For those who want something "special" from Air Arms:
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Limited_Edition_Air_Arms_RSN70_Air_Rifle/4357
Out-daystates Daystate!

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Runaway favorite for the Bling King award!

I got to shoot an AA HFT500 last week and really liked it. But there are very few AA left-hand friendly guns, and for my informal shooting I can't justify a rifle that nice for paper punching...at least not at this stage in life.

Air Arms has a brilliant reputation for quality, reliability and pride of ownership. My EV2-MkIII, with its recently rebuilt regulator (thanks, David Slade!), oozes old school quality, conservative design, and respectable accuracy. 

Over the past 6 months, I picked up a couple of beautiful guns from forum members. One being an AA S410 SL with a beautiful thumbhole walnut stock and the other is a Regal XL another beautiful gun.

I really like them both... but give the nod to the S410. The deep bluing, gorgeous stock, and smooth lever action. It’s lights out accurate at 50 yards as is the Daystate. Where the Daystate wins is overall length, a bit lighter and has a better moderator. Those items AA should pay attention to... along with adding a regulator.

Thats my 2 cents

"Oregun"Over the past 6 months, I picked up a couple of beautiful guns from forum members. One being an AA S410 SL with a beautiful thumbhole walnut stock and the other is a Regal XL another beautiful gun.

I really like them both... but give the nod to the S410. The deep bluing, gorgeous stock, and smooth lever action. It’s lights out accurate at 50 yards as is the Daystate. Where the Daystate wins is overall length, a bit lighter and has a better moderator. Those items AA should pay attention to... along with adding a regulator.

Thats my 2 cents

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How do those two compare on shot count? I'm getting about 40 shots (I think) on my XL. That may in part be due to the Harper. Don't remember if AA has a similar device, albeit probably not as good as a regulator. Also, if you are looking at holding on to that XL long term, you may want to check out the Huggett Shroud for it, mine is pretty quiet, with only some mechanical noise ensuing. 

"intenseaty22"

"Oregun"Over the past 6 months, I picked up a couple of beautiful guns from forum members. One being an AA S410 SL with a beautiful thumbhole walnut stock and the other is a Regal XL another beautiful gun.

I really like them both... but give the nod to the S410. The deep bluing, gorgeous stock, and smooth lever action. It’s lights out accurate at 50 yards as is the Daystate. Where the Daystate wins is overall length, a bit lighter and has a better moderator. Those items AA should pay attention to... along with adding a regulator.

Thats my 2 cents

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How do those two compare on shot count? I'm getting about 40 shots (I think) on my XL. That may in part be due to the Harper. Don't remember if AA has a similar device, albeit probably not as good as a regulator. Also, if you are looking at holding on to that XL long term, you may want to check out the Huggett Shroud for it, mine is pretty quiet, with only some mechanical noise ensuing.

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With the power level on 'high', both rifles get about the same number of shots. My XL is pretty quiet as well... AA is louder. The stock moderator does a nice job on the XL.
The only reason I give the slight nod to the AA is the side lever and thumbhole stock. I dig'em both!

I love the classic rifles that both AA and Daystate make. However, there does seem to be something in both company's culture that puts modern tech as an afterthought. Being new to PCP's, I still don't understand why every high quality, high priced PCP is NOT regulated. 

Is it just a cost issue? Does it really cost them that much more to make the rifle with the regulator vs. without? If I search for aftermarket ones, it seems they go for $100-$150 US. I would imagine that they could get them much cheaper at manufacture. 

I keep asking this, but no one has suggested a reasonable explanation. 

Thoughts?

"Dirte"

"BeachGunner"I love the classic rifles that both AA and Daystate make. However, there does seem to be something in both company's culture that puts modern tech as an afterthought. Being new to PCP's, I still don't understand why every high quality, high priced PCP is NOT regulated. 

Is it just a cost issue? Does it really cost them that much more to make the rifle with the regulator vs. without? If I search for aftermarket ones, it seems they go for $100-$150 US. I would imagine that they could get them much cheaper at manufacture. 

I keep asking this, but no one has suggested a reasonable explanation. 

Thoughts?

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I think one reason is that both the companies you reference are English. Perhaps their largest market is the English sub 12 foot pound guys. You can get a bazillion shots on a charge. Daystate has their Harper slingshot system. They have referred to this as being just as good as using a regulator. Sure a lot of shots which is true but, you still get a shot curve. I have a sneaking suspicion that they will be regulating guns soon with the growing US market. I know they loose sales because of that reason just listening to comments here on the forum.
One other reason maybe a gun without a regulator cuts maintenance down. I say maintenance because, If you have o'rings you have to be willing to replace them time to time. It just is what it is!

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Good point. I guess they have to serve their home markets first, and I'm sure their margins are greater on domestic sales vs the additional overhead of exporting rifles to the international, including US, market.

I purchased a used Daystate Regal XL in .22 back in September as my first PCP. It is a wonderful rifle in every way, and I'm very happy I got it. However, after seeing how many consistent shots a regulated rifle gets, even a low cost one, I have to wonder why they did not include one on the export FAC version. I get 30 very flat shots for doing pest control and hunting, but I start to get POI drop after that, and I don't want to risk a wounding. Is 30 too little for pesting/hunting? Probably not, but I certainly would not be disappointed if I could get 50 consistent shots per fill.