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    Mballistics
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    Is there anyone else who does not understand a value of heaving "designer" style cross hair?  

     I know values of holding over or under, but cant get how heaving "peppered" with lots of dots and lines field of view can make someone a better shooter or helping to hit a target more accurately?

    Which cross hair can be considered as minimalistic  but adequate for airgun hunting?

     

     

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    biohazardman
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    I love the Aztec DYND reticle myself but a few others as well

    I like this primary arms ACSS reticle on my AR click on this to see it

     

    I have a few other flavors I like but the simplest of them is the stock mildot.  I has just enough information to make most shots although not as fast as some others.

    In the end choosing a reticle is a very personal thing for your individual target or game needs and your individual eyes so whatever werqs is good for each of us.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=scope+reticles&atb=v180-1&iax=images&ia=images

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    JCD
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    I use hold over so when windage is involved I appreciate the 'extra marks' but I also agree with bio above, the Aztec reticle is my favorite for the distances I shoot.  I have several but will be trying something new soon. I'd like better glass plus that reticle or something close. 

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    Mballistics
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    Thank you, but can you really use windage hold over dots successfully?  My understanding that compensating for windage is not an exact science, but what is more convenient – to dial elevation first and then use crosshair  horizontal bars,  or do not touch turrets and just use windage – spread dots? 

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    biohazardman
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    I plink at spray paint cans at 200 yards and use the windage dots to hit them regularly.  I hit one of the lids to the cans four or five times in a row using the dots a couple of weeks back and multiple hits in a row on the cans are common or the norm.  It is difficult to hit in the ever changing winds but when things remain the same even for a short time I hit things repeatedly.  Sometimes when targets are to far away to dial the elevation all the way that is when the dots come into play for me. I usually shoot on the ten MOA mark and use the dots for windage.  Although I may be able to dial for the complete elevation now thanks to my newish mounts but I have been doing it this way for so long that I have not bothered.

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    Scotchmo
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    Reticles  can be used for holdover and holdoff. They can also  be used for range finding.

    Extended horizontal and vertical stadia (with easy to read numbers) are especially useful for rangefinding.

     

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    steve123
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    I partially remember a true story about a prestigious international military sniper competition from years ago.

    Shortly after the Nightforce F1 3.5-15×50 FFP scope came out, a sniper used one in this tough match against most of the best snipers in the world in that era. That scope had then the new Horus H58 reticle in it. 

    The short version is that this scope broke part way through the match, something about the elevation turret tracking had broke??>>> This man adapted quickly by establishing a zero somehow, then proceeded to "win" the match using only holdovers and holdoffs for the rest of the time.  

    This story worked out perfectly for me due to it's timing because the owner of a certain precision rifle forum hated Horus Vision, also their reticles, and constantly derided these reticles and Co, because he didn't like holding over. My argument was also backed up by the fact that I had just won the AZPRC long range series, which was an all steel match starting at 300Y and ending at 1450Y. I used 95% holdovers and holdoffs with the all .2 mil hashes in the H59 reticle in a FFP Bushnell 3.5-21×50 HDMR scope, as well as a Horus 8-26 IPHY reticle early on in the series for a few of the matches. All of AZ's top steel shooters "dialed", yet I prevailed. I won the next year doing the same thing.

    Also I've hit a 3' wide steel at 1900 yards using holdovers and holdoffs. It took a shot or two to get on the steel but I was able to keep hitting it until the wind changed. 

    So now you can expand your thinking of the possibilities that a good reticle can provide. 

    I watched as ole Scotchmo ranged various things with that same H59 reticle at LD's place, getting almost unbelievably accurate estimations of distance after I verified with my expensive laser range finder! He's very good at ranging with the reticle which has helped him win national titles in FT comps.

     

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    L.Leon
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    I add a vote for that Aztec DYND-1 reticle in consistent wind I get repeatable hits using the Christmas tree. A very uncluttered reticle with hash marks that are useable at the ranges I shoot at. I also very much like the APLR-2 MOA reticle on my Athlon Helos BTR.

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    Scotchmo
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    L.Leon

    I add a vote for that Aztec DYND-1 reticle in consistent wind I get repeatable hits using the Christmas tree. A very uncluttered reticle with hash marks that are useable at the ranges I shoot at. I also very much like the APLR-2 MOA reticle on my Athlon Helos BTR.

    The DYND-1 is OK. Ranging is an expected use for extended reticles, so I have a problem with them stopping at +/- 20 MOA on the horizontal. And why use 2 MOA graduations on the outer stadia, when the finer 1 MOA resolution is certainly usable at 16x magnification and greater.

    The Athlon APLR2 is one of my favorites. I tend to stay with lower cost scopes but that's the first reticle that I have owned that has never felt lacking. Just enough complexity to handle any situation without being too complex. It's now available on the GEN2 Argos as well. The APLR4 MOA on the Midas Tac is similar and is also a nice reticle.

     

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    L.Leon
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    @scotchmo, I like the 2 MOA spacing on the Christmas tree as opposed to the 5 MOA spacing on the APLR2. Most of my shooting is from 40 to 70 yards,100 yards is long range for me. I don’t range with either, I use a range finder.

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    Scotchmo
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    L.Leon

    @scotchmo, I like the 2 MOA spacing on the Christmas tree as opposed to the 5 MOA spacing on the APLR2. Most of my shooting is from 40 to 70 yards,100 yards is long range for me. I don’t range with either, I use a range finder.

     

    I'm not as picky about the Christmas tree. The APLR2 Christmas tree has 1MOA horizontal dots every 5MOA vertical division. Easy for me to line up if I'm between the horizontal rows.

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