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AEAC video - Weihrauch HW110 Carbine .22 - FULL REVIEW
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Steve, Great review!
This is an example of how a European manufacture is oblivious to the US market. Yes it's a nice gun and if priced right would sell. Why would I purchase this when I could buy a Streamline with better power and shot count for the same price. It really is a shame as it really looks to be well made. If I am going to pay $1000 for a rifle, I would look to other choices. This rifle doesn't measure up to rifles in the same price range. That said, if it was priced to compete to say the Hatsan market it would really be competitive. I actually like the looks. It appears to shoot well but at the current power lever, it is an under 50 yard gun. IMO, this drives the price down for me. I would suggest to Weihrauch to figure out how to get the price down or get the power/shot count up. I beleive this rifle could be a real winner but they can up just a little short!
Daystate finally figured this out with the release of the Pulsar and Renegade. They eventually came out with the HP versions. I believe AA is coming around too. Hopefully Weihrauch will get the memo as well.
I hate to be critical of our sponsors, however, the US market requires a higher power setting and unfortunately requires different engineering than rifles design for the European market. If you wish to sell more rifles to the US you will have to designed them for the US!
My responce is not design to badmouth Weihrauch, hower, moderators if you deem this inappropriate please delete.
This is an example of how a European manufacture is oblivious to the US market. Yes it's a nice gun and if priced right would sell. Why would I purchase this when I could buy a Streamline with better power and shot count for the same price. It really is a shame as it really looks to be well made. If I am going to pay $1000 for a rifle, I would look to other choices. This rifle doesn't measure up to rifles in the same price range. That said, if it was priced to compete to say the Hatsan market it would really be competitive. I actually like the looks. It appears to shoot well but at the current power lever, it is an under 50 yard gun. IMO, this drives the price down for me. I would suggest to Weihrauch to figure out how to get the price down or get the power/shot count up. I beleive this rifle could be a real winner but they can up just a little short!
Daystate finally figured this out with the release of the Pulsar and Renegade. They eventually came out with the HP versions. I believe AA is coming around too. Hopefully Weihrauch will get the memo as well.
I hate to be critical of our sponsors, however, the US market requires a higher power setting and unfortunately requires different engineering than rifles design for the European market. If you wish to sell more rifles to the US you will have to designed them for the US!
My responce is not design to badmouth Weihrauch, hower, moderators if you deem this inappropriate please delete.
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I love watching Steve's reviews. They are always very high quality productions... concise, informative and entertaining : ) Thanks again Steve!
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Steve,
What I like about your reviews is that you give all the strengths of the rifle and let us draw a final conclusion. You put each rifle through the same tests. I believe you are one of the most unbiased opinions out there. You are detailed and thorough shooting all rifles out to 100 yards ( with many different pellets) even if they are not intended to do so.......just so we can see.
Thanks for your part here at AGN
What I like about your reviews is that you give all the strengths of the rifle and let us draw a final conclusion. You put each rifle through the same tests. I believe you are one of the most unbiased opinions out there. You are detailed and thorough shooting all rifles out to 100 yards ( with many different pellets) even if they are not intended to do so.......just so we can see.
Thanks for your part here at AGN
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I agree with NMshooter. I'm sure this rifle is very well made and I like it's looks and features but the power and shot count are wanting. I have a Hatsan AT44 .22 short with a Huma reg. My Hatsan is not as refined as the HW110. But at half the price it shoots 15.89 JSB's at 805 fps for 40 shots using a smaller tank (180cc tube minus the Huma reg so about 160cc). It also is every bit as accurate. This leads me to believe that they can get more performance out of this platform. I believe that the FX Streamline (new Dreamline) or BSA R10 -among others- would be better choices.
Steve, I also appreciate the time and effort that you put into your reviews. You are the gold standard for reviewers.
Steve, I also appreciate the time and effort that you put into your reviews. You are the gold standard for reviewers.
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Well, you did leave out the part about the receiver being made from polymer and not aluminum. That is a pretty big deal in my book. Other than that, good review as always.
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the carbine model has about a 6 inch shorter barrel than the ST model, thus less power.. The ST model shoots 18gr JSB 860 fps 36shots per fill
. AOA does not give barrel lenghts or other useful info.
the shorter model is handier for yard pesting, the ST model for a little more umph
nice video Steve.
. AOA does not give barrel lenghts or other useful info.
the shorter model is handier for yard pesting, the ST model for a little more umph
nice video Steve.
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... leave it out? I don't think I could have possibly fit in any more pictures of the poly chassis (even gave ya a naked one). I also talked about it on Facebook and in my other 110 video on AEAC Vlog. Are you paying attention, lol?
It's just a poly frame with metal modular inserts... a lot like a modern tac pistol. Super cool & modern so far as I'm concerned.
Steve
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As I shared in the vid, before anything else I believe the 110 has been engineered as a segway rifle targeted at an audience looking to move up and not have to buy expensive fill equipment. I could be wrong... but that's just my interpretation of its layout and approach.
Steve
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Thank you. It's nice that ya picked up on this. I really like just sharing my discovery and letting you guys form the opinions. Sometimes I interject, but I try not to, lol.
Steve
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Well said. If you guys need more power, there's a full length version you can look in to but when I had them side by side at AOA this past spring, I much prefered the more compact carbine. I felt like it was a pretty darn perfect pcp. I really appreciate the more mild mannered guns. They're quieter, safer, and are more often easier for me to shoot well. Steve
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Steve,
My whole issue (not with the review) is that it is a Segway rifle at a big boy's price tag. There is a market for this rifle but at a more Segway price tag. I believe if the price was somewhere between the entry level rifles and say the Streamline or Regal, I would be more appt to purchase this rifle. I understand it's easy to pump so no tank but it still is $1k.
I have posted more than a few time (especially pertaining to the .25 caliber) on how the some of the European manufacturers have missed the mark regarding power and shot count. I was really excited with both the Galahad and the Renegade coming out only to find they were underpowered. Daystate has since upgraded to HP version. So they are becoming aware of our needs. They have to realize that they can't just tune the rifles up ( and not enough) and think it will fly here in the US. They may have to address the valve and air cylinder as well. Sometimes I feel that we ( the US maket) are an after thought and we should just accept what they make. I guess this is my real frustration. I do hope the HW110 is a success and time and sales will tell if they will need to make any changes. I hope my criticism is taken in the the most respectful way it was intended.
NMshooter
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Seems like a beautiful gun...other than the perforformance factors 
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I’d love to own one as a 70th or maybe 80th airgun if I had the resources but the fact is, these days, there just seems to be a lot more options out there in this type of price range...
.I’d love to own one as a 70th or maybe 80th airgun if I had the resources but the fact is, these days, there just seems to be a lot more options out there in this type of price range...
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It does almost seem like there is a whole world outside the US who might not have the same choices we do, and Weihrauch is addressing that market. But I could be wrong.
As an aside, segue in this context is not spelled "Segway."
As an aside, segue in this context is not spelled "Segway."
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We're absolutely cool and I didn't feel that way in the least. This is a really healthy exchange we got going here. Thanks for sharing your perspective. Steve
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Hi Steve, well done as usual, and I thought you made very effective use of the stills to show the workmanship on this gun. I did see the shot where you ruled out the GTO Predator and H&N Baracuda Green. How did those two do?
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Thanks!
At 25 yards, it liked the GTO but not the H&N. I didn't even try them on film day on account of how windy it was. It doesn't take much at all to move around the alloys.
Steve
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Puma Carl has a valid point. I did not catch that either by seeing the close ups. Just didn’t think of it. Now that you say that ... sure. But u didn’t bring it up. If this was an entry level pcp that probably would have came up.
one other suggestion.. I love watching your reviews. BUT I skip over the sound test on every one. It is pointless to show the dB meters. I would trust your verbal comparison to a different gun or just your opinion by giving a 1-10 rating. Db meters can vary so much at different ranges. The only way it would be of any use is to go back and compare the reading against other guns you have reviewed ASSUMMING you were set up at exactly the same distance and placement. JMO.
one other suggestion.. I love watching your reviews. BUT I skip over the sound test on every one. It is pointless to show the dB meters. I would trust your verbal comparison to a different gun or just your opinion by giving a 1-10 rating. Db meters can vary so much at different ranges. The only way it would be of any use is to go back and compare the reading against other guns you have reviewed ASSUMMING you were set up at exactly the same distance and placement. JMO.
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