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AEAC's very first Ultra High Definition 4k video review.
Steve
https://youtu.be/xgU-fyH13RM
AEAC's very first Ultra High Definition 4k video review.
Steve
https://youtu.be/xgU-fyH13RM
AEAC Video - Sig Sauer ASP20 .177 - FULL REVIEW
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Great video. This looks like a nice gun for the price and being a springer. Accuracy seems great as does the power, especially keeping in mind the price of the gun you are purchasing. For someone at my level of involvement and investment in airguns, which is not very great at this point, looks good.
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Very well done review Steve! I am always impressed by the amount of gear you use for these videos because I am well aware how that takes away from the simple pleasure of shooting.
As far as the Sig goes I really appreciate the effort of getting into and designing a new break barrel that is a quality product and not meant to appease large numbers of people at the lowest possible price. There are plenty of those around.
I would say though, that they held themselves back with their trigger. We all know why, lawsuits, but still, they were designing from the ground up. No shared components with anything, it was a decision based on end shooter safety and not engineering possibility. What I am saying is that a lot of the people who would use the gun with a light trigger would be careless, not that a 1 pound trigger itself would be dangerous or unfeasible. Our community knows that isn't the case. This wasn't an air rifle destined for the shelves of Walmart but rather for serious shooters. Who else spends more than $200 on what most powder burning shooters still call bb guns? Who amongst us would purposefully set their FX trigger at 2 pounds? Not many! Sure, some will, that's why you design it to be adjustable and it should adjust down to a pound for target shooting and up to maybe 3 for casual plinking. If people wanted rougher they probably wouldn't buy such a fine gun anyway.
As far as the Sig goes I really appreciate the effort of getting into and designing a new break barrel that is a quality product and not meant to appease large numbers of people at the lowest possible price. There are plenty of those around.
I would say though, that they held themselves back with their trigger. We all know why, lawsuits, but still, they were designing from the ground up. No shared components with anything, it was a decision based on end shooter safety and not engineering possibility. What I am saying is that a lot of the people who would use the gun with a light trigger would be careless, not that a 1 pound trigger itself would be dangerous or unfeasible. Our community knows that isn't the case. This wasn't an air rifle destined for the shelves of Walmart but rather for serious shooters. Who else spends more than $200 on what most powder burning shooters still call bb guns? Who amongst us would purposefully set their FX trigger at 2 pounds? Not many! Sure, some will, that's why you design it to be adjustable and it should adjust down to a pound for target shooting and up to maybe 3 for casual plinking. If people wanted rougher they probably wouldn't buy such a fine gun anyway.
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Thanks I enjoyed the review.It is great that you show the details of the gun and how you adjust it to. I have been looking at a side lever to shoot with the kids but I have to look at the ease of the cocking and rethink about a break barrel
Thanks again for the review and look forward to seeing more
Thanks again for the review and look forward to seeing more
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Hi Everybody, I've never been on a forum before, so not really sure how this works. I know this review was on the ASP 20 .177 cal, but I have an ASP 20 .22 cal which is my second air rifle, but my first really good one. Anyway, I've watched every review on the ASP 20 I can find. My problem is some pellets like the Sig Sauer WRAITHs .22 cal 5.5 mm head size, the H&N Baracuda Match .22 cal 21.14 gr 5.5 mm head size and the Crossman Premier Domed Ultra Magnum .22 cal 14.3 gr 5.5 mm head size, don't just slide into the breach, the skirts are to wide, they have to be forced down into the breach, and I can't just push them in with my fingers, I need something hard to push them in with. I also have JSB Exact Jumbos that work pretty good and shoot well. On the Pymaryd Air Review they shot the Baracuda Match & Sig Sauer Pellets in the .22 cal ASP 20 with good results and didn't have any problems with them. Has anybody had a trouble like this with any pellet rifle you have had, and if so ant fixes? I do like the AEAC reviews, Hhe does such a good job, and covers everything.
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Hi Everybody, I have the ASP 20 in .22 caliber and really like it so far. I have only been out with it 3 or 4 times so far and not to long each time. I only have about 100 shots through it but it is mostly sited in. the tiger is working good for me, still factory set. I have watched 4 reviews so far Airgun Depot, and MountainSport Airguns have reviewed the ASP 20 in .22 cal and the trigger worked well for them. MountainSport Airguns even did some hunting with it. Pyrmayd Air and and AEAC reviewed the .177 cal and the both questioned the trigger, so it could just be the .177.
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Artemissix, there is no "problem" with the trigger as far as functionality. It works. It is just that if you watch Steve's reviews of the TX200 (1lb. 1/10 ounce) and the HW95 (1lb. 5 ounce) you will see guns designed long ago that make good power with much lighter adjustable triggers. If you are starting with a fresh design, why go backwards and make a trigger that can't be adjusted down below 2 pounds? It makes no real sense. Steve did well to adjust it as low as he did. Some people like 2 pound triggers but everybody likes having a choice.
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Hi PumaCarl, Thanks for the info, lots of stuff I need to learn. I really like this Pellet rifle. I really want to shoot it more!
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Will you review to .22 cal separately?
Mod edit: the Sig ASP 20 is not a Review-Discuss-WIN event. But we've got one coming up so keep your eyes peeled.
Mod edit: the Sig ASP 20 is not a Review-Discuss-WIN event. But we've got one coming up so keep your eyes peeled.
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I have the .22 cal version. The trigger issue is a subjective issue. One man's junk is another man's treasure. I just adjusted mine and am pleased with it. It's not a match trigger but a good hunting trigger it is ! Yes, many pellets in this gun require a little more work to seat. I'm use to it. Especially given the fact I'm getting 24.3 ft lbs with 14.8 gr H&N Field Trophy pellets.
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Within the last 2 weeks I've email Sig Sauer asking about the availability of the ASP20 synthetic .22. Sig Sauer replied to my email stating the ASP20 synthetic .22 will NOT be available until summer of 2019. Sig Sauer did not answer my query if it would have a cheek riser, did not say anything about an adjustable butt pad. All very hush-hush, all very secretive about this. Bottom line.........looks like it'll be a year after the introduction of the ASP20 wood stock is when the synthetic version will be available to the public.
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Enjoyed the video. The power plant of the ASP20 is better suited to the .22 cal. The velocity differences between a 10 gr .22 pellet and 10 gr .177 pellet are huge. I shot mine yesterday (73 deg) with the 9.6 gr Crux alloy pellet and averaged 1060 fps. That's close to 100fps more than the .177 cal version would do with a pellet of equal weight.
The metal work finish on mine is good. Not perfect, but still good. The stock wood work is beautiful. I will have to break open my action and analyze the breech seal to receiver lockup. If it's that bad it would effect power level. Which it is not.
FYI.... I wasn't happy with the power level with mine as I couldn't get 23 ft lbs with any pellet I tried. Mostly in the 22.5 ft lbs range. Still good but not as claimed. Sig paid to have the gun sent back to them and in 23 days I had it back. They even sent it back to me FedEx 2 day Air. They changed the seal and strut (whatever that is ?) and included before and after chrony results in the tech notes. One thing that pissed me off a little is that the rifle was sent back to me cocked. Not a good thing. I guess that's a testament on how good the gas ram seals are in the ASP20. Overall, I am very happy with the repair and Sigs customer service. My Sig ASP20 now shoots 14.8 gr H&N Field Trophy's at 860fps. Or 24.3 ft lbs. The Crux alloy pellet at 1060fps is on par with Tom Gaylord's review of the .22 cal Sig.
The metal work finish on mine is good. Not perfect, but still good. The stock wood work is beautiful. I will have to break open my action and analyze the breech seal to receiver lockup. If it's that bad it would effect power level. Which it is not.
FYI.... I wasn't happy with the power level with mine as I couldn't get 23 ft lbs with any pellet I tried. Mostly in the 22.5 ft lbs range. Still good but not as claimed. Sig paid to have the gun sent back to them and in 23 days I had it back. They even sent it back to me FedEx 2 day Air. They changed the seal and strut (whatever that is ?) and included before and after chrony results in the tech notes. One thing that pissed me off a little is that the rifle was sent back to me cocked. Not a good thing. I guess that's a testament on how good the gas ram seals are in the ASP20. Overall, I am very happy with the repair and Sigs customer service. My Sig ASP20 now shoots 14.8 gr H&N Field Trophy's at 860fps. Or 24.3 ft lbs. The Crux alloy pellet at 1060fps is on par with Tom Gaylord's review of the .22 cal Sig.
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Hi Mike,
Never once has any of these companies given me any heartburn over telling it like it is, and anything I find amiss goes in the reviews. They just keep sending more & more product, hehe. I'm well paid by the industry too.
Steve
P.S. you saw me hand load all 5 cards in the vid, right? For what it's worth, I didn't observe any issues with it.
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Contrary to popular belief, I've never been able to detect any change in 25/50 yd accuracy with a little bit of skirt hanging out (on a springer). That's why I don't bother with pellet-pens anymore. Just seat it as deep as ya can with the tip of your finger and you'll be fine. Hope this helps.
Steve
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Not sure about Pyramyd but I was really clear on relaying my trigger experience. I shared that outta-da-box there was to much roll in the second stage, as well as some unwanted break weight. I went on to share that both were easily adjusted away by following the instructions that came with the rifle. The only thing I wish I could have lightened up that I couldn't was the first stage pull weight... and I shared that too. Hope this helps.
Steve
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