Accuracy and "+1" comments

OK guys, this is really just a nit pick, since the forum is more about learning and passing information between other airgunners than gathering more green balls. But, when a comment is made that you agree with, and you quote the comment, then add in your own prefaced by "+1", hopefully you understand what that means? Yes, its a way of saying I agree and that your comment was well thought out and in your opinion that person deserves an accuracy point. But, when you do this, it also means that you need to make the effort to actually give that person a +1. I don't know how many times I've seen the +1, yet the person commenting doesn't actually add one. I'm totally OK with that, just don't say something and then don't do it. Instead, just comment that you liked and agree with the post... Rant over... ;)
 
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Well that go's both ways and not in a good way at times ...

Some folks take exception to ones effort to make a point seemingly being missed ... and dock you a point because they feel your talking down to them.



Personally dislike any points system .... those who have a clue and speak truths are easy to discern from those who just need to voice an opinion. Readers can figure that out easy enough,



JMO tho ... 
 
Well that go's both ways and not in a good way at times ...

Some folks take exception to ones effort to make a point seemingly being missed ... and dock you a point because they feel your talking down to them.



Personally dislike any points system .... those who have a clue and speak truths are easy to discern from those who just need to voice an opinion. Readers can figure that out easy enough,



JMO tho ...

Well said...



IMHO all we need + or -, green or red balls for is for buyers and sellers feed back. Anything else for the most part is a popularity contest.



Concur
 
Completely agree but I also really think too many folks are worried about it. In general this has been an active topic recently and I for one can't fathom why. I don't care, one way or the other, how many BALLS one has red, green or skin tone (other than to satisfy my ego once in a while in regards to the overall opinion on someone).

In my opinion, the +/- should be for something more relates to rarity, not 'hey that was a good post'. Nothing to with/nothing against, your post. Just think it's too easy and common to select either. If I gave examples... I would just piss people off.

I worked for an internet company for many years, can't tell you how many times this concept took over even executive meetings. The right answer (in my world) was that the 'powers that be' should be the judges of quality and contribution. But really, no forum administrative counsel wants to dig that far into the content or be a 'judge'.....

If those +/- were not anonymous, things would change. But would also lead to more contention. If it were me, I'd turn them off completely.
 
@jcd, I totally agree with you. My point was aside from yours. My comment was more if you say you're going to do something, then do it, or don't say you are. I too think they should be given out for actual information that is pertinent to a topic, to enlighten or inform other forum members. However, I think it all works out in the end... You sometimes get one for just a comment, and you sometimes don't get one for an entire paragraph that you spend quite a bit of time and effort on...
 
Another thread about these red/green balls. Why are they so important that a thread pops up like once a week? I also feel it's only worth anything when dealing in the classifieds. Accuracy shouldn't be judged on opinion rather than fact. People shouldn't be awarded balls just because that person shares the same opinion as some one else. It goes the other way, people red dotting because some one offers a different opinion or view. Some of the time I +1 a comment who's opinion I share, or they beat me to it. For example I think the Marauder is a great gun. So should everyone cast a red or green ball because of their opinion? 



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FnAJqSo0594
 
A +1 comment after someones post might mean that I agree with them, as in "me too". And not necessarily a statement about "Accuracy". It might simply mean that we both like the same thing or feel the same.

Likewise, the "Accuracy" shown on Airgun Nation does not always show accuracy. It shows a rating/popularity/like/agreement/etc. Maybe the name should be changed to "Rating" instead.

I don't use the "Accuracy" system in Airgun Nation as I think I can better judge for myself if information is accurate.
 
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A +1 comment after someones post might mean that I agree with them, as in "me too". And not necessarily a statement about "Accuracy". It might simply mean that we both like the same thing or feel the same.

Likewise, the "Accuracy" shown on Airgun Nation does not always show accuracy. It shows a rating/popularity/like/agreement/etc. Maybe the name should be changed to "Rating" instead.

I don't use the "Accuracy" system in Airgun Nation as I think I can better judge for myself if information is accurate.

Agree with this view. Seems it is widely used just to mean I agree or "me too" to an opinion. So, +1.
 
As long as I don't end up with 'blue balls', I'm good to go! 🤣 

Yeah, I've also noticed a lot of replies just saying: "+1", and that can be a bit odd [with the +/- system here]
I think it's just more of a 'saying', as the "+1" thing has been around forever, and used a lot in chats, forums, etc.
I guess it's just another way of saying agree, ditto, same.. [and sometimes followed up by others posting +2, +3...] 

Anyways, I actually like the rating-system on here. It is a Great feature to use when buying/selling/trading, 
and, IMO it is nice to be able to give and receive an occasional one for excellent advise, help, and especially 
to the people that go a bit above and beyond.. 

I rarely even think about the "- balls", as I'm not the type to knock someone else's score down for what they post..
I'm 100% for the 1st amendment just like I am for the 2nd..

Where the neg ball comes in - or should come in - would be more for the classifieds section / experiences..

I suppose it could also be used if someone is posting absolutely nonsensically wrong information 
that would cause damage, harm, etc. but, those types of posts are really few and far between..


🙂👍 

Sam -

 
So I have a slightly different take on this, and why the green and red balls are important, and they have to do with credibility. 



Back in the good old days, underneath your avatar and handle, you'd have a post count. This post count would give someone, not intimate with the forum, a very rough idea of who knew what they were talking about and who didn't. It was FAR from perfect, as there was always "that guy" who was obnoxious and confidently wrong and had a MASSIVE post count, but it was something. 

Then the world of social media popped up. Suddenly a bunch of the old forums died off, as traffic and new blood were diverted to things like facebook groups. There you haven't a clue who is trustworthy and who is trolling, it is just a seething mass of human. This lack of incentivization for quality content ultimately is leading to facebook's doom, as most groups seem to have trolls and contributors in equal measure. 

Moving back to the forums, as hosting became cheaper and software features more plentiful, someone introduced the idea of a "karma" feature. I've seen it executed on forums in varying flavors, but this red-green ball system labeled "accuracy" I think is my favorite I've yet seen. It too is imperfect, like all human systems, but it gives users at least some reasonable idea of who is a newcomer and who is a greybeard, and also the quality of their contributions. It also, without the interference of the admins/moderators, encourages people to be polite. I genuinely believe this is part of why this is the most polite and trusting forum I have EVER seen. The anonymity of it helps keep things fair too, so that people don't spiral in positive or negative ways. 



I also feel that, imperfect as it is, the system does significantly help with transactions. Users who contribute good content and have been around the forum are more trustworthy, and maybe you decide to use paypal F&F to send money to them. Maybe another user is rude, and if you're rude to a stranger for no reason, what will you be like as a seller/buyer when you now have money on the line? It gives you an idea about the character of the person you're dealing with, without being obtrusive. 



And finally, on a personal note, I'll say that I like the ball system and feel like it encourages me to be my best self. I don't ever solicit green balls because I don't feel it is appropriate, but I get a little swell of pride and satisfaction when I make a post and someone appreciates it. This is especially the case if they sign their name to it. As any economist will tell you, incentives matter, and as silly and arbitrary as it is the system makes me want to be polite and write thorough and thoughtful and hopefully helpful posts. 

So yeah, in summary, I am in support of the feedback system. I think it is relatively unobtrusive and has overwhelmingly positive effects on the forum, whether you like it or not. 



My 2c. :) 




 
A +1 comment after someones post might mean that I agree with them, as in "me too". And not necessarily a statement about "Accuracy". It might simply mean that we both like the same thing or feel the same.

Likewise, the "Accuracy" shown on Airgun Nation does not always show accuracy. It shows a rating/popularity/like/agreement/etc. Maybe the name should be changed to "Rating" instead.

I don't use the "Accuracy" system in Airgun Nation as I think I can better judge for myself if information is accurate.

That’s what I always thought people meant by it.
 
 my ADD kicked in,I thought +1 was you are agreeing,,that is all..because I have also seen +2 and +3 and so on....and on different websites having No grading system....no way is a +1 a green ball unless it is a big butt or it states somewhere in the "rules",butt I have learned a lot here and will give out green balls....I will never give out a red ball unless someone is dishonest .another thing,it does not take long to figure out the people that know what they are talking about....another thing is that none of these website would go anywhere without Opinions and hey that is just mine.
 
Maybe Micheal, and any other powers that be, could make an FYI rules page that is pinned to the top of the respective page, or like what has been done on the classified page? When I perused the Forum Rules, Info., and Feedback I saw nothing pertaining to the accuracy system. There are quite a few locked threads with rules and information in them, but they're scattered all through the 19 pages of threads. I may have overlooked it though. For those of use who were in the dark regarding the use of the system, on page 18 or 19, there is a post to which Micheal responds about the accuracy system. Here's the link to that post... 

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/life-lessons-from-a-idiot-or-nobody-cares-what-you-think-paul/


 
In a post if I out down +1 to me it just means I agree with what someone else has already said in the thread ... Usually in a way that's better than I would have . 

I will admit when it comes to the little colored balls if I'm thinking about buying an item used here and it's a person with a lot of negative points , that can sway my decision.

I know there are guys to who the number of balls is important to . But some of us seriously very rarely check their own feedback . I have made a lot of friends here at AGN and have been lucky enough that so many guys here have helped me when I ran into a problem . It's a really cool forum , with some REALLY cool folks ,ran by a Seriously cool person . All the rest just doesn't make a dent for me . 
 
+1 @STO (Meaning I agree with this) 

To me +1 in the body of a post means the person feels the same way, call me old school I guess. 

If you look at someone’s “accuracy” report/page you will usually see a trend or pattern. Gives you an idea of whom may be a jerk or whom is very helpful or knowledgeable.

On the other side of the coin, and as an example, I posted a negative feedback on a seller on another forum. The fact that I never post there but he does, a lot, gave him huge credibility over me, the “little guy” & he will not suffer the consequences of his actions as a result. So I can see both sides here.