A couple bullpup questions

Honestly there is nothing wrong with them. I think it all boils down to the ergonomics and what you want in ergonimics. They balance completely different and swing on a dime. If walking through thick brush they are awesome. I personally prefer traditional rifle format for my own personal reasons......its what I grew up on and competed with. Unlike alot of folks......I find the extra weight forward makes me a better offhand shot. But this is me.......you might be different. Honestly.......I think there is room/demand for both in my stable.

If your only experience with shooting guns is a traditional type rifle setup, shooting a bullpup for the first time is very uncomfortable to shoulder and shoot. As you shoot a bullpup more and more, you get use to it. After awhile, you can shoot a bullpup just as good has any other rifle and in some situations even better. As for the trigger, my cricket has an excellent trigger. Not sure how other bullpup's triggers are

They generally cost more, though this seems to be improving.

Because the scope generally has to be mounted higher, ranging becomes more critical at short ranges. This was a deal-breaker for Nomadic Pirate on here, though he risks facing enraged piggie-wigs charging directly at him. On the other hand, the optimum zero moves out a bit, making things seem a little easier further out.

Fun , light weight, (mutant anyway) Cool factor of 10, Fun to shoot, oops already said that,
Easy to carry, Fun to shoot, oops there I go again,
I can not think of any disadvantage to a Bull Pup,
Mike

I was initially repulsed by the looks of a bullpup to the point that when shopping for an air gun I didn't even consider them. Then I actually shot one, a Cricket. Holy moly what an experience. It's easier for me to hold it steady because it's all closer to me; the weight of the gun is closer to your body. I loved the compactness of it. Didn't have a Cricket budget so I got a Hatsan Gladius and like it a lot. Heavier but again I'm shooting off of rests for the most part anyway. The only downside to the weight of this gun would be a day of walking through brush, hunting. Not my intentions for it anyway so no biggie for me.

The bullpup design comes from firearms. It was an attempt at keeping the barrel length, power and accuracy of a traditional rifle but, shrinking it down to a more tactical size for close quarters type use. 
So, as with most things that try to do everything at once, you sacrifice a little bit of everything to achieve that ability to do it all. 
Generally speaking of course, the trigger suffers due to the extended linkage. The long range accuracy suffers due to the shorter platform. Since the bullet chamber is all the way back, it can sometimes be more difficult to cycle rounds due to the location of the bolt. This is more of mute point in the semi/full auto powder burner world. 
I think the biggest downfall to the Bullpup platform is the long range accuracy due to the inability of the shorter platform. However, the question I have is, do they make us better overall shooters the long run? 
The bullpup platform does work very nicely in the hunting realm due to the size and retained power. Easier to trek through the woods, easier to manuver for a quick shot, big power - small package, lighter weight. 

Suggest you read this: Norica Goliath 88 Classic Carbine – Part 1[/QUOTE]http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2009/09/norica-goliath-88-classic-carbine-part-1/embed/

I know I have seen a recent Bullpup springer too. If I locate it I will post a link.

http://www.airgundepot.com/beeman-qb-57-bullpup-air-rifle.html

Thurmond

Tominco
You owe it to your self to shoot a Cricket or a Mutant Trigger, I always thought my FWB 124 had the best trigger, My Marauder Trigger was the best I ever felt. So I thought!!!!!!!!! My Crickets are so adjustable that I call them match grade, The Mutant, I dought a 5000, dollar match gun can match the trigger, ITS THAT GOOD.......
I am not even going to address the long range accuracy, To many videos out showing head shots at 100 and over yards,
I myself will not comment on guns I do not have and shoot,
The FX Impact has me a full lust mood , But I am going to wait until production catches up with demand...
Mike

I have a Cricket and a Bulldog. I love hunting with both of them, although I haven't had much time to do so lately. Bullpups are superior when it comes to point-ability, the long range thing? Not really an issue at all. Speaking of the why are there so few springers in bull configuration probably has more to do with leverage than anything else. 

The bullpup gives the "bazookafeeling".

Bullpups are much loved around here. But short is harder to shoot than long.
Pistol vs rifle, and yes a bullpup is no exception to that rule. From a bench at moderate ranges
you will see little difference from a bullpup and a long gun. Still most bench rest competitions
are not won by bullpups. Its not that the guns are less accurate they are harder to be as precise
with. Field trial is not dominated by them either. Despite the fact they are just as accurate and in many cases
more so than the guns that do. The disadvantages of a shortened rifle are most apparent when you
shoot from uneven ground, or a steep incline, or when you take a rest on the side of a tree or shoot sharply up or down. Many bullpups are
configured in a way that places the scope far from the barrel. on the bench not much of an issue,but off hand
its huge, the farther a scope is from the barrel the easier it is to cant ,or tilt the gun and the bigger the effects.
Bullpups are compact, cool looking, fun to shoot.scary accurate and very very popular.
But the design does have some draw backs. It will be up to you the individual shooter to decide if the advantages of the design outweigh them ,most around here would say they do. 

The Desert Tech SRS A1 is one of the best long range sniper rifle firearms out there right now. People are making 850 yard shots without any issues. There is nothing about a bullpup design that should effect long range accuracy. They may be shorter, but they retain a full length barrel which gives them greater potential for accuracy than a carbine with a short barrel.

Most of the disadvantages only really apply to firearms and not air guns. These are things like: not being good for left handed shooters because it's not safe where the spent casing ejects (unless a left handed version is made) and not being great in a bayonet fight (which I only get into occasionally with my Cricket anyway, and I always beat the squirrel!).

The need to use higher scope mounts can apply to regular rifles as well as bullpups because, sometimes, extra clearance is needed to accommodate larger scopes. A lot of air rifles use a circular clip that extends above the breach. This is a design issue, not a specific bullpup problem. 

Sometimes, people will try one bullpup and then dismiss all bullpups because they found one uncomfortable. Just like with regular rifles, they aren't all for everyone. 

In summary, bullpups are awesome and people who think they aren't are just wrong. 

Here's my springer bullpup.
.177 Norica 

Only thing I have found is if you don't cross your "T's" and dot your "I's" it is a lot easyer to pull your shot. Meaning, anything you do wrong in the shot sequence will be magnified a little more than a long gun. You do your part, no problems 

The QB57 is another springer bullpup.

you can make most guns into a bullpup except the ones have air tanks behind the action such as the Airforce guns, the FX revolution gladiator verminator etc and the Parker Hale. I think we see far fewer springer bullpups because you get less leverage to operate a break barrel with a shorter rifle. 

Love my Bullpup trigger feels awesome to me I have a kalibrgun Cricket

"mrhons77"Love my Bullpup trigger feels awesome to me I have a kalibrgun Cricket

Click to expand...

The potential issue with bullpup triggers (that work through a linkage rod) is extra travel in both the first and second stage.

on guns like the Cricket, a good portion of the travel can be removed through the adjustments in the length of rod it allows. 

The other potential issue is that the thin metal rods are not always that rigid. They bend without much pressure which can prevent them feeling crisp. The Cricket gets around this somewhat by using a pull trigger and making it extra light. It doesn't feel crisp but it is light enough to not impact accuracy.

For bullpups that use a push trigger, I prefer the dual rod design used in some firearm bullpups. Duel rods don't bend as much. I keep planning on replacing my metal linkage rods with a carbon fiber rod. They are cheap and super rigid. Too many other projects to complete first though. 

There are now non bull pup bull pups. The In the FX impact the trigger is where the trigger is. The only thing that moves to the but of the stock is compressed air. See Ted's last review for conformation. The Brocock compatto is a semibull pup as the breach is behind the trigger but not at the butt.See AOA's Brocock compato bird hunting youtube for more on that. It's a carbine vs rifle kinda thing. It's shorter the weight is closer to your body. It just feels faster to swing around and acquire a target with. And it's not for everybody. This is not right vs wrong here. There is no correct answer for everybody. It's just a different style of gun.

"ssunsera"There are now non bull pup bull pups. The In the FX impact the trigger is where the trigger is. The only thing that moves to the but of the stock is compressed air. See Ted's last review for conformation. The Brocock compatto is a semibull pup as the breach is behind the trigger but not at the butt.See AOA's Brocock compato bird hunting youtube for more on that. It's a carbine vs rifle kinda thing. It's shorter the weight is closer to your body. It just feels faster to swing around and acquire a target with. And it's not for everybody. This is not right vs wrong here. There is no correct answer for everybody. It's just a different style of gun.

Click to expand...

The FX Impact hybrid design is smart. The FX Impact solution and the Daystate electric trigger in the Pulsar make a lot more sense in a gun that is designed as a bullpup from the ground up vs converting a rifle. If BP was never designed as a rifle, there is no need for linkage rods. 

The thing that amazes me with the Impact design is that it is still air efficient. When I first saw it, I though that the extra distance from the valve to the transfer port would mean more wasted air but it didn't. 

I'm convinced that there is still room for a lot more innovation in the design of triggers for BP conversions and guns that use cylinders instead of bottles. For example, keeping the trigger sear near the trigger but having it release the hammer with a linkage rod to retain the feel of rifle trigger. I'm experimenting with one piece trigger / rod / bp trigger designs and they seem to work better than the multi part linkages used by most air gun bullpups.

The trigger mechanism for the Desert Tech SRS A1 is meant to be one of the best bullpup trigger designs.