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    2FiNgAz
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    Debating on which tank i should buy & which cubic foot size I should get…?
    Just curious as to how many fills I might get out of a small & large tank if my gun capacity is 700cc

    Thanks everybody…..!

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    sushi2910
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    I found this useful link for you: http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/Tanks/FillCalc.html

    Have fun,
    John

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    travels4fun
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    Is portability important to you or will you be filling your gun at your house? Also what is the max fill pressure on your gun?

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    eelect
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    If you have a compressor then a guppy is the way to go. If you have to drive a ways to get it filled then get a big CF tank. No question. Anyone who has a small tank and a means of filling it at home will tell you get the small bottle. I hardly ever use my 60 minute tank. If you are plinking with say a cricket 22 you will get tired before you empty guppy tank. With 25 cricket I get 2 full refills then a couple fills after that but not to 230bar. After that you can leave it tethered to gun and probable empty a 350 count tin of pellets. My hunts or outings are hardly ever dictated by guppy capacity. Keep in mind I’m talking about using cricket bull pups. Some platforms are not that efficient. Hope that helps

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    pelletwaster
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    My 2 cents. If I had it to do over I would buy a compressor  first. 2nd then a guppy tank. 
    AoA has some great ones. I would not do a shoe box too much maintance and hate the noise from the support compressor.  They sell a stipped version of omeg nice unit. If price not a problem they have a few different high end units they can educate you on. I look at a compressor  as a necessity  like a motor on a spead boat.  

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    2FiNgAz
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    @eelect-thanks for the advice
    Btw-looking to purchase the
    .22 OR .25 FX Gladiator MK2
    So it’s 680cc 220 bar…

    @Pelletwaster- I’m just getting started in the PCP game..
    Won’t have the $$ for a compressor this go around…
    I’ve noticed some cheaper CF paintball tanks, do those not work..?
    Needs to be specifically for air rifles I’m assuming…?

    @sushi2910-thanks for the link…

    @travelsforfun-It will need to be portable, not hiking through the woods/rough terrain portable but in and out the truck into a field or for bench – shot count is pretty high on the MK2 according to the reviews..

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    KYAirgunner
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    On the paintball tank question the answer is yes. And the reason being is because for paintball guns the air pressure has to be regulated down to around 800 psi. Now there is a tank that Pyramid Air sells that is the Air Venturi that looks like a paintball tank, that one can fill your gun to 2900 psi because that is what it is regulated down to. You can tell the tank thats regulate down to 2900 psi because it has a gold ring around the reg.
    Leo :)

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    eelect
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    Please do yourself a favor and don’t buy the paintball tank with the regulator on top with the fill station. Save a little more and buy a guppy. I have been down that road and will not advise anyone going that route. The Guppy or something similar is a much better investment and can work with any furfure guns you buy. You can only fill your gun to whatever the regulator output is .Don’t  limit yourself for a bit more money and get so much more value

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    NMshooter
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    I have an 88 CF  Air Hog. If you plan on doing some shooting, it’s amazing how much air you can go through. I am glad I got the largest tank and I am considering getting a compressor because my fill center is only open on the weekend. I have run low on air twice and wasn’t able to shoot. Air Hog, in my opinion, has the best tank and valve on the market. There is a competitor that will try to up-sell you everything, you will know who I am talking when you talk to him. You do not need an extra gauge if you have a dead head plug! I have no affiliation with Air Hog but learned a hell of a lot from the previous owner. get the largest you can find. If you are a hunter you could consider the smaller tanks but you want to take in consideration how many shots you will be taking. Obviously if you are firing more shots than your gun’s air capacity you will have to consider whether you will walk back to the car or carry a smaller bottle. 

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    AZBOBCAT
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    If you get  the gladiator get a large tank you won’t regret it.

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    travels4fun
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    “2FiNgAz”@eelect-thanks for the advice
    Btw-looking to purchase the
    .22 OR .25 FX Gladiator MK2
    So it’s 680cc 220 bar…

    @Pelletwaster- I’m just getting started in the PCP game..
    Won’t have the $$ for a compressor this go around…
    I’ve noticed some cheaper CF paintball tanks, do those not work..?
    Needs to be specifically for air rifles I’m assuming…?

    @sushi2910-thanks for the link…

    @travelsforfun-It will need to be portable, not hiking through the woods/rough terrain portable but in and out the truck into a field or for bench – shot count is pretty high on the MK2 according to the reviews..
     


    I’d steer clear of any paint ball tanks as you will be spending more time driving to get it refilled than shooting. Plus, they are hobbled by a 2900psi regulator, have inferior gauges, short hoses, and can only be filled at paint ball stores since they don’t have a DIN valve.

    My recommendation would be to go with a 72-75 cubic foot tank. It’s not too big and not too small, is easy to chuck in the car and tote to the range (get ready for a lot of sideways looks) and is reasonably affordable. You can expect to pay around $589 for a new 72-75cf tank. On occasion, you may even see someone selling one on the classifieds for around $300-400 for one in good shape. If you want to know which vendors sell them, send me a PM.

    Scott

     

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    Twohsieh
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    Through my experience with scba tanks,  i dont recommend  spending more than $25/ year of service left on used tanks.  There are lots of deals to be made on good used scba tanks on ebay.  If its your first tank find a place that will hydro test it and fill it, , get an used one, get an adapter, go shoot….

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    travels4fun
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    I posted this earlier. It should tell you everything you need.

    AIR TANK BUYERS GUIDE
    April 5, 2015

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    Dan25
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    I got the 71 cubic foot tank from the guy who puts two gauges on his tanks.  I like the size and get a ton of shots out of my 25 Mrod.  Money was an issue so despite the sales pressure I declined on the extra gauge.  He sent me a tank with both gauges, the little one no charge.  Thought that was very good of him.  Also his tanks look great and all the accessories are top notch.  I noticed he is not listed in the above group.  R&L makes a very nice and affordable fire house adapter.  Some fire depts. will fill for free.  Free local air makes Dan a happy boy!

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    Twohsieh
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    The $25/year,  price, i was referring to 30 min scba used tanks

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    Killzone
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    I don’t understand why airtanksforsale.com is not on the list and I have heard some negative comments made. I have no connection to Joe Brancato and his business except that I have purchased a tank from him – I am very pleased with it – he has quality components – he treated me well – he was extremely informative – gave me good advice and a discount on a 97 cu-ft bottle and shipped it off right away. I will do business with him again.

    As I remember  the experience – he did come across a bit of a rush at first – but once he realized that I was serious about a bottle, he answered all my questions – asked me some questions and I didn’t feel as though he was tiring to up sell me but rather letting me know what he had to offer, the up side and down side to the options (and he has a lot of options) and really wanted me to be pleased with what I was spending a lot of money on.

    I hope that helps. Straight Shooting – Jay

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    NMshooter
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    Dan
         If you have a “Dead Head” in your fill port connector you can open the tank valve and get the air pressure in your tank. All you lose is the air in your line. The ‘Dead Head” is basically a pluged fill port. There is a picture on the Air Hog Pnuematcis Website. It come free with the Air Hog tank. So you don’t need a second gauge. I know you got it free because he tries to upsell you and most likely he did not want to disassemble a unit. It was more laziness on his part than generosity.

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    TimmyMac1
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    There is some good info in this thread. Carbon Fiber Tanks that have 800 PSI reg output can have the Reg swapped out to the Ninja 4500 in 3K out Reg. I think that is a better approach then defeating the reg and going wide open.
    I agree that the Ninja 90 without a reg output gauge is not a good idea. You can’t see the rate of fill or the pressure you are putting into the guns. Airgunners need that. For that reason the Mac1 Ninja 90 Includes an output gauge so you can easily fill guns that take less than 3K. In my mind you could not find better value in a buddy bottle. It is easy to fill because it uses the Foster Male like the guns have so it is super easy to make transfers and top it up.
    On SCBA Tanks I like to convert the CGA 347 threads to a Male QC so when you have mulltiple tanks you can transfer from one to another using only one yoke, & no double male fittings. I carry SCBA rebuilt valves that already have the male and a fresh oring to seal the vessel to the valve. You can get the SCBA valves outright for $50 or an Upgrade for $25. The other advantage is the costly Nut & nipple gets swapped out for a Female QC so your yoke gets simpler, cheaper and more useful.
    I agree again that you need to watch how much you pay for vessels. In practical terms the vessels can be had from 20-40 a year depending on Size and years left. $25 per year for a 30 min, $35 for a 45 minute and $45 for a 60 minute are fair prices for Tanks with Fresh Hydro. I try to stay in that Range and mostly have 45 and 60 minutes. Right now only a few 45 minute (66 CF). $325 with 8.5 years left, fresh Hydro rebuilt valve and the Male QC mod done.
    I like the Tank gauge on the SCBA valves and I like the durability and reliablity of the SCBA firefighter gear better than DIN valves.SCBA Hardware like the bleeders they use are superior hardware and all I use on my transfer yokes. Same one is inside my SCBA Class 1 Containment vessel for filling Tanks. SoCal AG Nuts coming by the Mac1 shop in Gardena need to bring their Tanks. Any Purchase over $20 and we fill you on the house. Up to 50 CF.

    TimmyMac1

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    travels4fun
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    “Killzone”I don’t understand why airtanksforsale.com is not on the list and I have heard some negative comments made. I have no connection to Joe Brancato and his business except that I have purchased a tank from him – I am very pleased with it – he has quality components – he treated me well – he was extremely informative – gave me good advice and a discount on a 97 cu-ft bottle and shipped it off right away. I will do business with him again.

    As I remember  the experience – he did come across a bit of a rush at first – but once he realized that I was serious about a bottle, he answered all my questions – asked me some questions and I didn’t feel as though he was tiring to up sell me but rather letting me know what he had to offer, the up side and down side to the options (and he has a lot of options) and really wanted me to be pleased with what I was spending a lot of money on.

    I hope that helps. Straight Shooting – Jay
     

    
Airtanksforsale is on the list. See rows 5.6.7. I happen to own a Tiger Shark Deluxe and have had no problems with it other than when  I accidentally knocked the rubber cap of the manometer and some glycerine leaked out. I have also owned an Omega and Ninja.

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    NMshooter
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    Killzone he is on the list 5 lines down.
    I will just come out and say it……. I had a much better experience with Air Hog. I attempted to purchase several large ticket items from Joe and the price kept changing (going up). He wants to play the good ole boy and “I’ll take good care of you” and then give you the highest priced option. I see all these quote unquote discounts,( I’ll match any offer) that he was offering and I never saw any. More of a bait and switch. His website is a freaking mess so he can be the expert and “help guide you through it” leading you to the highest priced option. He proceeds to tell you you’re an idot for not taking that option ( like the 2nd gauge which you don’t need), and oh……..  I don’t have any tanks without the 2nd gauge on at this time it might take a while to get one in. He lost a $3000.00 deal from me, future business, and a negative review. Everytime I hear someone plugging Airtanksforsale, I think ” he snowed another one”. I have been trying not to trash talk but I think it’s important for new air gunners to do their due diligence before buying. I have learned in the dental industry from the dental reps. that the guy trying to be your “friend” usually isn’t. My interaction with Air tanks for sale left me with a very bitter taste! 

    Conversely,when I went onto Air Hog’s Website  the choices were very plane and simple. There was even some nice video for people just starting out. Most of the things that Joe offered were there as well but in a much more clear understandable manner. Talking to Van, I recieved nearly a dissertation about clean air going into the tank. Did you know that the fluid in the gauges were designed for heavy equipment impact? We don’t have impact in airgunning so we don’t need fluid filled gauges. This is why Van put  gauges without flluid (glycerin) on his tanks that don’t leak! He is a very knowledgable man! Unfortunately he is no longer the owner but his engineer is still with the company.
    Maybe I caught Joe on a bad day but my experience with Van from Air Hog was such a more superior experience, I take every opportunity to plug Air Hog. I have no interest in Air Hog other than being a satisfied customer. I really felt I was being taken advantage of being new to air gunning with Joe. I know others may diagree but that is my take.

     If I am not mistaken, I believe it was Van Jacobi who introduced the carbon fiber tank to air gunning. 

    And yes I’ll sign my name to this one:
    George W. Harper DDS, FAGD
    aka NMshooter
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