Yes, Hades DO Expand!

[intenseaty22]

Not always, but they do. I got these two early yesterday. Both head shots with the Kalibrgun Cricket Carbine Mini in .22 @ 920fps. One was a pass through, the other I recovered. 

Pass Through 

Recovered

 

[Pale_Rider]

Whew! That is some devastating carnage! Good shooting

 

[Theman406]

Looks like they were wrong place but at the right time, nice shooting  

 

[Calbarry]

What gun were you shooting? Distance, fps? Thanks

 

[intenseaty22]

What gun were you shooting? Distance, fps? Thanks

Info added  

 

[Guest]

Savage. Awesome job.

 

[Bob_O]

Yikes !

 

[Malaga2]

On birds I havent seen any discernable difference between these and the regular JSB's...pricy pellet

 

[Motorhead]

Honestly looking more like BONE IMPACT damage than expansion .

As you well know shot placement is key and that you did without question. A dome would have been just as lethal.

 

[JungleShooter]

Honestly looking more like BONE IMPACT damage than expansion.

Excellent point.

Really seems like we'd need some controlled testing on semi-live* quarry.

*[live, as in recently alive, and now dead]



Something like this:

(1) Kill shot

(2) Prop up the dead quarry in front of a pellet catcher (cardboard box with bunched up plastic bags, or some towels)

(3) Shot at selected angles and shot placements

(4) Evaluate wound cavity and measure pellet expansion



Once covid-19 blows over in Peru I hope to do some of that....

Matthias

 

[Elbowgrease]

I think it really depends on the fps. If its to low then forget it. Though hitting bone would help.

 

[Vana2]

Been using the .22 caliber Hades pesting grackles and chipmunks all summer and comparing them to the regular JSB 15.89 domed pellets. Halfway through the tin (with few misses ) I haven't recovered a pellet but it is easy to see that more energy to being transfered to the pest and the exit wound is much larger with the Hades. Even with body hits the amount of tissue damage implies that the Hades pellets are expanding well.

On a good shot I don't see any difference between the regular domed pellets and the Hades - dead is dead. On a marginal shot I think that the additional damage done by the Hades might result in a quicker dispatch. 

If the Hades were the same price as the regular JSBs I might switch over to them for all my shooting, until then I will reserve them for pesting. I am still debating if I will use the Hades for hunting - I eat what I hunt and will often keep the hide for fly tying. .. the Hades can be a bit "messy".

Just my experience with them. 

 

[Spartan]

Honestly looking more like BONE IMPACT damage than expansion .

I've recovered a lot of pellets from a lot of squirrels (many pellets with visible bone damage, and many without), and it definitely looks like considerable expansion to me, especially the first pic of the pellet itself. Textbook expansion, IMO.

 

[intenseaty22]

Honestly looking more like BONE IMPACT damage than expansion .

As you well know shot placement is key and that you did without question. A dome would have been just as lethal.

That doesn’t just look like BONE IMPACT, it was bone impact, as evidenced by the picture provided.

Now, is that expansion? Most definitely. Would it have expanded on flesh? I’m not sure, I have seen these Hades run the gamut from very little deformation like this .177 Hades out of my Sub 12fpe HW95.

To this! Bone or no bone, Hades expand. As noted above, by @vana2. 

They also produce a noticeably more devastating traumatic impact on flesh as “soft” as an orange, as noted by @americanairgunner in this video 

https://youtu.be/QiB0_Ggus1k

But frankly, some people, including myself, took exception to the “convenient” shot placement with the Hades off to the side. So I took that to task and conducted my own experiment only to see that regardless of shot placement, his results were plausible albeit perhaps a bit more pronounced. YMMV. 
https://youtu.be/TJTrEmIvHVc

 

[intenseaty22]

Also, please understand that I am in no way, shape, or form saying that a Domed Diabolo is not just as lethal. All I am looking at here is the expansion of the Hades vs a Domed Diabolo. However, that potential expansion, combined with exceptional accuracy from a hollow point style pellet, makes them a winner in my book. 

 

[Blackpaw]

@itenseaty22 and first, I appreciate the level of detail you put in your posts, and it really lets you see what the impacts look like from the pellet impacting the creature. I agree with you on dome vs hades isn’t necessarily different damage but at the smaller scale the hades just rips more than the dome.

 

[intenseaty22]

@blackpaw exactly my thoughts. Here’s fresh recouped ammo from this week. Both of these were body shots. Totally devastating & immediate. 

 

[Blackpaw]

Nice!!! Yup looks Like they are doing their job 

 

[intenseaty22]

Oh, heck yeah, you should have seen the bloodletting on them. I should be able to stitch up a quick testing video pretty soon. Just need time to edit and post. 

 

[JungleShooter]

Keep'em coming, the tests.



One complication is always that if the HP hits bone we really don't know what made it expand — the impact on regular tissue (guaranteed for every hit) — or hitting a bone (just a lucky shot)....



Matthias