I also had a talon ss in .22
While I believe mine shot decent enough compared to yours,
the whole item just felt cheaply built..
While I believe mine shot decent enough compared to yours,
the whole item just felt cheaply built..
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Airforce Worst PCP ever and I am ashamed that I fibbed.
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Lots of reasonable descriptions of some of the real shortcomings, but I don't understand why it translates to a lack of respect for the platform.
It seems lik folks are comparing the equivalent of a tractor to a luxury automobile and then acting like it's some kind of shortcoming. A luxury car makes a terrible tractor and a tractor makes a terrible luxury car. You can list "shortcomings" all day but that's a given.
These are utility air guns, not intended to be pretty. They are deliberately designed the way they are, and the benefits of that platform are different than the benefits of the more polished and pretty or match/ competition oriented guns.
It seems lik folks are comparing the equivalent of a tractor to a luxury automobile and then acting like it's some kind of shortcoming. A luxury car makes a terrible tractor and a tractor makes a terrible luxury car. You can list "shortcomings" all day but that's a given.
These are utility air guns, not intended to be pretty. They are deliberately designed the way they are, and the benefits of that platform are different than the benefits of the more polished and pretty or match/ competition oriented guns.
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It is a simple design, easy to maintain, easy to upgrade or modify.
It throws pellets at high velocity and accuracy.
Everything after that is fluff and costs 3-4 times as much.
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Different people want/need different things from their airguns.
I've had a few AirForce guns and they have all thrown their pellets at high velocity. Accuracy? Not so much for me. But then again I tend to get bored with them pretty quickly and perhaps haven't given them enough time and attention to get them shooting more accurately.
Since I don't hunt/pest any more after we lost our big range, I just pretty much plink now, and all within 65 yards (the longest distance range in my back yard). So I don't need any big power and virtually all of my pellet tunes are 900 fps and under. Smooth, easy to shoot and accurate. To me the AirForce guns have always been brash in the way they shoot, probably due to the power they are making. And I haven't had the ability to tone them down enough for my simple needs.
I am currently AirForce-less, and RAW-less as well, and I am OK with that. As much as I have enjoyed some of my RAW rifles, it has dawned on me that the ones I liked best were all pre-AirForce guns. And now I recently came off an event where AirForce could not/would not fix a RAW Micro Hunter which was throwing 20% flyers. Worked with them for more than 6 months on the issue, finally returning the gun for their assessment. They replaced some things and re-built some others - and the gun was worse when returned to me 2+ months later. Seems like AirForce will never know RAW products as well as Martin does. Maybe they should stick with the simple AirForce line of guns.
I've had a few AirForce guns and they have all thrown their pellets at high velocity. Accuracy? Not so much for me. But then again I tend to get bored with them pretty quickly and perhaps haven't given them enough time and attention to get them shooting more accurately.
Since I don't hunt/pest any more after we lost our big range, I just pretty much plink now, and all within 65 yards (the longest distance range in my back yard). So I don't need any big power and virtually all of my pellet tunes are 900 fps and under. Smooth, easy to shoot and accurate. To me the AirForce guns have always been brash in the way they shoot, probably due to the power they are making. And I haven't had the ability to tone them down enough for my simple needs.
I am currently AirForce-less, and RAW-less as well, and I am OK with that. As much as I have enjoyed some of my RAW rifles, it has dawned on me that the ones I liked best were all pre-AirForce guns. And now I recently came off an event where AirForce could not/would not fix a RAW Micro Hunter which was throwing 20% flyers. Worked with them for more than 6 months on the issue, finally returning the gun for their assessment. They replaced some things and re-built some others - and the gun was worse when returned to me 2+ months later. Seems like AirForce will never know RAW products as well as Martin does. Maybe they should stick with the simple AirForce line of guns.
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I'm limited to 40-45 yards and my 2 Talon and 1 Condor are pretty much hole-in-hole with JSB in .25 and H&N Barracuda Match in. .22
Mine are very modified, heavy hammer, heavy spring, big plenums and regulated.
Generally run them 850-925 depending on caliber and pellet.
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All this talk about "Worst PCP ever" got me in the mood to go out and punch some holes with my TalonP in the hot afternoon sun.
Still one of my favorites.
50 yards. I need to get out and mow so I can use my 85 yard lane.
Still one of my favorites.
50 yards. I need to get out and mow so I can use my 85 yard lane.
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That is one of the nice thing about Airforce guns. They are kind of a blank canvas that you can make what you want out of them.
Mine is modified too, but not regulated. Hammer, spring, metal breech, Talon Tunes moderator, Ultra Match trigger and a MadDog stock. Almost forgot. I fitted a larger bottle.
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Airforce guns are a hidden gem. In modified form they are a tuners dream with potential to be very quiet, very very accurate, very powerful and most importantly very reliable. The beauty is simplicity.
It has what total of what 2 o-rings that actually seal and a valve seat. Less is more, in this case.
All of my highly modified condors and texans that I own are more accurate, powerful, reliable and build cost less than majority of Daystate, FX, Brocock , etc
I've owned Vulcans, Uragans, M2, M3, Brocock, Air Arms, Pantheras, Dynamic, Deltawolf, etc in various calibers and configurations. After all the guns I've owned none can match the power/performance/accuracy of my highly modified texan or condor builds and do it at lower fill pressures for less money spent.
I value each for what is was designed to do. I love Fx guns as much as I love Airforce guns. I Evaluate each for its strengths and weaknesses utilizing them for a specific intended purpose.
Each gun on the market has a purpose, if long range accuracy and power with Slugs or cast bullets is what your after. There isn't a better platform than Airforce
All I can say is those who know, know. If you don't know and haven't mastered the gun then you won't know. This means you didn't put forth the effort required to get it to the level of performance desired before giving up.
It has what total of what 2 o-rings that actually seal and a valve seat. Less is more, in this case.
All of my highly modified condors and texans that I own are more accurate, powerful, reliable and build cost less than majority of Daystate, FX, Brocock , etc
I've owned Vulcans, Uragans, M2, M3, Brocock, Air Arms, Pantheras, Dynamic, Deltawolf, etc in various calibers and configurations. After all the guns I've owned none can match the power/performance/accuracy of my highly modified texan or condor builds and do it at lower fill pressures for less money spent.
I value each for what is was designed to do. I love Fx guns as much as I love Airforce guns. I Evaluate each for its strengths and weaknesses utilizing them for a specific intended purpose.
Each gun on the market has a purpose, if long range accuracy and power with Slugs or cast bullets is what your after. There isn't a better platform than Airforce
All I can say is those who know, know. If you don't know and haven't mastered the gun then you won't know. This means you didn't put forth the effort required to get it to the level of performance desired before giving up.
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