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Will some of these AR AK look alikes actually kill varmits at 400-500 fps?

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So I was looking around at Academy where I bought my Gamo Swarm Maxxim that shoots over 1000 fps (at least advertised) and I see all these cool looking pellet and bbq SBR's but mostly all don't shoot past 500 fps so makes me wonder if they can actually do any damage control at all like squirrels and possums which is the issue i have around my place. 

Crossman full auto 430 fps; SIG MCX .177 700 fps, ( the only one that high); DPMS full auto 430 fps with BB's; MPW co 2 powered BB rifle 430 fps; 

Another question please, while looking around online at different air rifles because my Gamo is so inconsistent, one minutes shoots dime size groups and next day not even in the same area and more spread out, same pellets and what I see is that most of the better air guns weigh more than real rifles, most weight way more than my AR15 so just curious if any one here knows why do air guns need to be so dang heavy?

Not into high dollar pellet or bb guns just want something for the above mentioned reasons.

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I would assume (making an ass out of you and me) that you are seeing two different markets. The first is for the kid who use to buy the old Daisy or Red Ryder, etc. Today they want the semi-auto modern warfare style rifle. The second is the new adult where power is king and that equals FPS. Later they discover controlled power is king and not only costs, but takes a specialty store with support behind it.

There are certainly air rifles out there you can plink all day with in the $300 to $500 range that are good all around entertainment. Many aren't discussed as much on here because they just function and yet aren't going to win any shooting contests put on by a rifle brand. They don't usually come out of a box store.



Anyway, as usual just IMHO.
 
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So maybe I came to the wrong forum? Two simple questions really. 1. I want to shoot the squirrels and possums and 2. just curious really as to why a pellet gun has to be heavier than a serious gun that shoots real bullets. The Gamo puts 7 and 10 grain pellets through one inch boards, not ply wood either. The groups are pretty consistent just not always in the same place, like the group moves around, maybe it' me lol. I have killed tons of black birds with it and a couple squirrels and one possum but also have missed a few, i don't like to miss is all. not going to competitions or to a range to prove anything, I only take real guns to the range, to me a pellet gun is just for the varmints and sorta of a toy as well imo. Don't mean to offend anyone if your more serious about them just that for me if I'm spending thousands of dollars and I do that often but it's not for a pellet gun but a real one that shoots real bullets lol. 

Thank you
 
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On weight the answer is pretty simple. In powder burners the gun powder creates the forward force. In air rifles the force has to be generated, or carried around without some form of chemical reaction to produce it which requires more metal parts and thus more weight. To reduce weight requires exotic metals or other technology (e.g. carbon fiber), and increased cost.

On high energy springers the heavier the rifle the less the piston/ram recoil affects the shot. Add that to the paragraph above on more parts.
 
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On weight the answer is pretty simple. In powder burners the gun powder creates the forward force. In air rifles the force has to be generated, or carried around without some form of chemical reaction to produce it which requires more metal parts and thus more weight. To reduce weight requires exotic metals or other technology (e.g. carbon fiber), and increased cost.

On high energy springers the heavier the rifle the less the piston/ram recoil affects the shot. Add that to the paragraph above on more parts.
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Thank you, good answer and makes sense. 
 
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So maybe I came to the wrong forum? Two simple questions really. 1. I want to shoot the squirrels and possums and 2. just curious really as to why a pellet gun has to be heavier than a serious gun that shoots real bullets. The Gamo puts 7 and 10 grain pellets through one inch boards, not ply wood either. The groups are pretty consistent just not always in the same place, like the group moves around, maybe it' me lol. I have killed tons of black birds with it and a couple squirrels and one possum but also have missed a few, i don't like to miss is all. not going to competitions or to a range to prove anything, I only take real guns to the range, to me a pellet gun is just for the varmints and sorta of a toy as well imo. Don't mean to offend anyone if your more serious about them just that for me if I'm spending thousands of dollars and I do that often but it's not for a pellet gun but a real one that shoots real bullets lol. 

Thank you
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You didn't come to the wrong forum, you just apparently wrote your post when everyone was too many drinks deep for the night, LOL.

One thing you haven't mentioned is the scope you are using. It is entirely possible the guns POI is changing, but it could also be the scope. 

To the CO2 guns you mentioned. Those are replica toys for shooting tin cans. They will not have good repeatable accuracy and enough power to kill a squirrel, let alone a possum. I think you should be looking at .22 cal min for possum as they are bigger and pretty tough - if you post in the Hunting forum you'll get better answers for the appropriate calibers and power for the quarry your want to get. Then based on that we can start looking at rifles in your preferred price range to get the job done.
 
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You'll want to look at MV and ME to make your determination. I've taken quite a few squirrels with a MV between 960 FPS and 860 FPS at 30 to 35 yards using a 14.3gr .22 pellet. I do not believe with an MV of 400-500 FPS you'd be able to take a pest at 30 to 35 yards. At those velocities I believe you're going to be looking at some significant drop. For example, when shooting my 50 yard spinner with an MV of 600 FPS the spinner barely deflects and the pellet drop is significant causing me to adjust elevation significantly.

I think you're going to need something in the 800 FPS range to dispatch a pest at 30 yards or more. Calculate your FPE and you'll know for sure. The folks limited to 12 FPE I know successfully pest.

Hope this helps
 
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