Why Hate Leupold ?

JoeWayneRhea

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I have noticed something that always both amuses and confuses me . When it comes to scopes there are a Large group that flat out Refuse to consider Leupold as an option .. Kinda like guys saying " I won't drive a Ford Truck " . Where does that come from ? As a lifetime Dallas Cowboys fan I get the love em - hate em thing . But why Leupold ? I've never quite understood it when it comes to them as a company . Now granted they don't have a large selection of scopes that focus" parralax" down to short distances like most AirGun guys want , but the refusal to even consider them is still there . It's hard to have a real conversation about nice AirGun scopes without the 3-9 EFR in the conversation. I've owned more scopes than I care to recount , and some have cool recticles, slick turrets , and smooth adjustment and great finishes ....But very few ...Damn few ...Make me go " Oh Wow " when I look thru them like a Leupold does .
 
I love Leupold and own them for my powder guns. I just bought one (6.5X20 EFR) recently for my Kimber .22HS. I'm from the Northwest where they are made, and like to support them. Like you stated above....... They are not very interested in producing airgun scopes. I know you can have their custom shop do some work with parallax and reticles. It is hard to buy direct through Leupold and get a good sale...... Then have them do the custom work costing several hundred more dollars.
I also think Leupold was/is a little behind with the latest off the shelf reticles and side focus scopes. Heck mil dot is generally a custom order. Several big scope companies are now getting competition from new scope producers using the new stuff.
I hope Leupold comes around so I can go to them for my airgun needs. They have the best warranty in the business also. They stand behind them forever and you don't need to be the original owner.
 
I just left Leupold's web site and I never saw in their specs the minimum focusing distance on any of the scopes. Maybe I just wasn't reading it right. Also never saw the EFR series. What series are they in? They do have a butt load of scope options though. What scopes do they make that have a 10-20 yard min focus, side focus and variable power from 6-24, 8-32, or 10-50? These features seem to be in ball park of what a lot of the PCP shooters like. I have Side Winders, a SWFA, a Bushnell Ultra HD and hopefully in a couple of days if Mrs. Claus was listening a Athlon Argos BTR 6-24X50 that has been getting some good reviews. I guess I never gave Leupold's a lot of thought because I don't know a lot about them and normally their not reviewed as much because of popularity with the majority of the air gunners. I'll keep checking them out though, who knows one may end up on one of my pea shooters eventually.
Jimmy
 
For me I want a scope that can focus down to at least 20 yards. I also want high magnification in this scope. That about sums it up. Unfortunately there is not alot of options for high mag close focus scopes unless your spending alot of money. 24 power sounds like overkill until you see a sparrow, pigeon etc at 70 to 80 yards. The high magnification really helps with the smaller targets.....for me anyways.
Target aquisition is a non issue if you can shoot with both eyes open. I can immediately find any target even at 10 yards with a 24power scope. Kinda like holding one finger up in front of your face and seeing 2 ghost images of the same finger. I see a ghost real world image transposed with the scope image. I put the crosshairs Im seeing with my right eye right on the real world target Im seeing with the left. Not everyone can do this....alot of people can.
I like leupold scopes. Im just limited with airguns because of high mag and close focus.
 
Yes, their website is a bit 'fuddy duddy' and they really ought to be offering more Web Customization (type of thing) because I feel they could be doing much better financially by offering a more 'boutique' experience. One only has to consider how Redfield slid from being a top scope maker to zero (then reborn as 'so-so').

I have a couple of older M series (small) Leups on springers, never had a moment's doubt with them.

I have a Leup LRF (or something similar) on a Hornet load powder burner, nice scope -good to very good glass, simple low profile tube and side focus but it's always been utterly dependable.

Here's a thing that Leupold either don't know or choose to avoid mentioning (for some reason); that simple LRF model (above) is really very,very good with a Night Vision Add-On unit(s). By which I mean small NV units that attach to the ocular of a dayscope. Must be down to their choice of lens coatings.

All in all, I believe Leupold have been 'resting on their laurels' for far too long.
 
Assembled Joe Fans:

I say Joe fans because I have learned its the smart guys around here that get on his threads. %^)

Please tell me abut fixed focus scopes. I am suffering the pangs of shopping for a new scope. It hurts. Searching through the site I have perused just about everything that has been said about scopes here in the last year. I have never had a FF scope. I've got Nikons, Vortex, Hawke, Meopta, Redfield, Burris and an old Leupold. All AO. But I am very curious about FF length scopes after reading what Joe and others have contributed. But my question is, how are they to use?

10 X is all the mag I need for target as I don't shoot beyond 25 yds but for occasional foolishness. I never shoot a squirrel beyond 25 or 30 yds. I don't plan to shoot 10 meter. So why do I have all AO scopes? Because all but the Hawke are pwdr brnr hunting scopes. Although I've never killed anything beyond 200 yards and never will. Usually 80 to 125 yds.

But I digress. I need a new scope for my Diana 350 N TEC or just as a spare scope. If I put it on the gas ram Diana it will have a Diana recoil absorbing mount. Perhaps I should consider FF length. It would sure save me some $. Onliest problem I fear is I might miss low mag. Sometimes it comes in handy to get on a squirrel that is moving while you wait for him to make that fatal mistake and pause.
 
Dirtejking
My EFR VX3 does min parallax of 25 yards. These are the new models. https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-3i-riflescopes/vx-3i-6-5-20x40mm-efr-cds-target/

Looking for something with a little more power and side focus. The SWFA I'm shooting now has the focus at the rear and I'm not really crazy about it. Looks like you have to be shopping for the MK4's to get into the side focus and more magnification and those are in the $1500-1600 price range. Just seems Leupold doesn't cater to the air gunners as much as some of the other. The Sightron's offer a lot of options and hopefully after the first of the year I'll either have a SIII 10-50 or 8-32. ( GO COWBOYS !!! )
jk
 
"jking"
Dirtejking
My EFR VX3 does min parallax of 25 yards. These are the new models. https://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting/scopes/vx-3i-riflescopes/vx-3i-6-5-20x40mm-efr-cds-target/

Looking for something with a little more power and side focus. The SWFA I'm shooting now has the focus at the rear and I'm not really crazy about it. Looks like you have to be shopping for the MK4's to get into the side focus and more magnification and those are in the $1500-1600 price range. Just seems Leupold doesn't cater to the air gunners as much as some of the other. The Sightron's offer a lot of options and hopefully after the first of the year I'll either have a SII 10-50 or 8-32. ( GO COWBOYS !!! )
jk
This is why I don't have any Leupolds on my airguns! I just received a Sightron Slll. They cater to the airgun community.
BTW Go Seahawks!



 
I don't hate Leupold. In fact, I keep wishing I could find one of their scopes that met my needs.

There are a few things that frustrate me with them though. The lack of useful info on their website has already been mentioned but it does make shopping online for one a huge headache.

The major one for me is the lack of a mildot option on any of their less expensive scopes and the fact that the custom shop charges more for a mil dot reticle than other options. I can understand paying a bit more for custom work but is it really double the effort to fit a mil dot reticle than their far less useful duplex? Suddenly your $400 scope has become $600 and you are wondering what else you could get for that.

The other thing is that they charge so much more for features that are included in $100 scopes these days. I feel like they are only left out to avoid cannibalizing sales of their more expensive models. It's kinda like how I think the FX Wildcat only has smaller mag capacity and no HST adjuster to justify the extra $500 for the Bobcat and Impact. In reality, it would be far less expensive to add a gram of extra plastic for mags that held 12 instead of 8, or a spring with a screw for the HST. If they did that though, nobody would buy a Bobcat.

The main difference between expensive and cheaper scopes is the quality of the glass and the precision in the turrets. Most of the other features are relatively cheap as they are included with cheap scopes, so why does Leupold's more affordable products need to be so spartan in the features department?

It only bugs me because they have other features that I really want and some of them are hard to find on any other brand. Specifically, they offer very lightweight scopes with high quality glass. Most decent affordable scopes weigh a ton. They would be my dream scope if they just changed the options to cater to a slightly broader audience. 

The glass on the clearidge scopes is made in the same factory as Leupold's glass. leupolds are slightly better overall but....when you look at what you get with a Clearidge 6-24x40 mil dot, their 4-14x40 mil dot or even their Ultra RM, it makes it harder to justify Leupolds custom shop nonsense for an air gun scope. The Clearidge products seem almost tailor made for PCP rifles out of the box and the quality is not far off Leupolds lower price models. 

Just to reiterate, I don't hate Leopold though. I want to buy one. They are just annoying in some ways.
 
I've spent hours in the last couple days shopping for a scope. I just this minute completely gave up on Leupold. Using their 'scope finder' is an effing joke. Does not even work properly. I clicked on the scope I was interested in and it took me to a set of scope rings. Tried to look at Leupolds on the SWFA site. Got nowhere. Been on Amazon. Nada. I want a simple scope. Don't need no lit up reticle. I'll take objective tube parallax adjustment. I am even thinking about fixed focus and the only thing I can find is the SWFA thats as heavy as a brick. I think I'll just go back to good ole Vortex. Decent reticle and good warranty.
 
"Nueces"I've spent hours in the last couple days shopping for a scope. I just this minute completely gave up on Leupold. Using their 'scope finder' is an effing joke. Does not even work properly. I clicked on the scope I was interested in and it took me to a set of scope rings. Tried to look at Leupolds on the SWFA site. Got nowhere. Been on Amazon. Nada. I want a simple scope. Don't need no lit up reticle. I'll take objective tube parallax adjustment. I am even thinking about fixed focus and the only thing I can find is the SWFA thats as heavy as a brick. I think I'll just go back to good ole Vortex. Decent reticle and good warranty.
Check out the brand Clearidge if you haven't already. 

Their scopes are light, clear glass, well made, good features, focuse down to 10 or 15 yards. They sell direct from their website. The shopping / searching experience is night and day compared to Leupold. 

They use Japanese glass which is, apparently, the next best thing after German. 

I have on one of their Ultra RM scopes but I intend to buy one of their 6-24x40 rifle scopes next. 
 
I have Leupold lens pen.

It is quite good, I took it on against my Hawke lenses and man the surface was dirty like it had been eaten barbecue on. (Not guilty, I bought it as second-hand)

The lens pen got me both lenses clean but it is no longer in same shape.. But selling that Hawke would have been very hard with pictures of the dirty lenses.

It still get the job done but after initial pen cleaning I take 100% clean wet microfiber cloth and give it spin, then use a dry one instantly and it gets me really good results. Spotless.

At least they can make pens (they don't actually manufacture them)
 
I have been told by one of the Leupold tech guys that they are currently working on a scope designed for air gun use. I don't know the time frame but I'm thinking I'll wait and see what they offer. I'd like to see something like a 3x15-40 side parallax down to 10 yards, half mil reticule, less than a pound in weight. And I'd like to see it offered in first and second fp. I'm not a fan of large objective lenses, I like my scope mounted as low as possible.